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Jabawocky 14th Apr 2016 02:46

We do, Avalon. :ok:

UnderneathTheRadar 14th Apr 2016 03:13


We do, Avalon.
Except it's not the 'US System' as VFR are required to contact Avalon approach to transit class E.

Capn Bloggs 14th Apr 2016 03:46


VFR are required to contact Avalon approach to transit class E.
And so they should be. Any aircraft swanning through terminal RPT airspace unannounced, even with a transponder fitted, is 1950's lunacy.

Chronic Snoozer 14th Apr 2016 18:21

Reluctant to stick an oar in here but some points from this preliminary report are relevant to this discussions going on at the moment I think.

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.av...15FA259A&rpt=p

IFR, VFR mid-air, within radar coverage, in VMC, VFR aircraft not mandated to call ATC.

For the duration of its flight, the pilot of the Cessna did not contact CHS approach control, nor was he required to do so.
No system is infallible. (Not even TAWS!)

Capn Bloggs 15th Apr 2016 06:01

Further, Dick Smith and Leadsled have been uncharacteristically quiet on my oft-proposed scenario of an uncontrolled lighty swanning around in terminal E airpsace, mixing it with A380s. Perhaps they think that that isn't a bad idea...

fujii 2nd May 2016 07:27

Well, who would have thought. WAM for the YSSY PRM has been failing regularly but at least they have primary and secondary radar backup whereas Dick wanted to use a very similar system in Hobart for enroute controllers to provide some sort of terminal service with no radar backup. Procedural control may be slower but it doesn't fail.

Dick Smith 2nd May 2016 08:57

Does WAM work anywhere else in the world as a stand alone certified system for Terminal airspace?

Is it just in Aus that it doesn't work properly? Could the failure be caused by too many negative thought waves?

And I just wanted to know why $6 m of our industries money should be wasted- re Tasmania.

triton140 2nd May 2016 12:22


Originally Posted by UnderneathTheRadar (Post 9343527)
... VFR are required to contact Avalon approach to transit class E.

Not according to CAsA - monitor Avalon Approach on 133.55 only, consistent with AIP.

le Pingouin 2nd May 2016 20:55

So how much is a radar Dick? Considerably more than $6million and worse coverage.

fujii 2nd May 2016 23:19

It wasn't $6M wasted. WAM was installed in Tasmania to do a certain job which it does.

Dick Smith 3rd May 2016 03:18

Yes it was to provide surveillance to the ground at Launy and Hobart if you believe the suppliers media statements.

Why wouldn't you want such a service if spending $6 m?

There is no measurable collision risk above 6000' in Tasmania so procedural is ok.

Lookleft 3rd May 2016 06:21

Those who operated into LST last night with 40kt+ winds and aircraft having to be parallel parked on the apron, got to witness a very professional display by an ATC coordinating ground operations and managing to separate several aircraft doing ILSs. The safety officer also did a sterling job. New equipment would not have made much difference.


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