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Mothfly 29th Sep 2015 23:45

Cross Wind
 
Had to land a Tiger Moth at Bankstown Airport in a 15kt cross wind last Sunday due there not being a cross wind runway ..... I did request from the tower if I could land on the taxi way in front of the tower but this was refused ....cross wind limit for a Tiger Moth is 10kts

Scion 1st Oct 2015 04:32

Did you have turbulence from the Toll building on 29 right?

uncle8 1st Oct 2015 04:44


cross wind limit for a Tiger Moth is 10kts
Not for pilot of your calibre. Good practise for you.

4forward8back 1st Oct 2015 05:01

Crosswind limit is actually 10MPH.

At 15 kts, you did EXCEPTIONALLY well not to drag a wingtip.

I doubt you'll ever get clearance to land anywhere other than a runway for normal ops.


Had to land a Tiger Moth at Bankstown
Diversion is always an option.

4forward8back 1st Oct 2015 05:18

Essential reading for all Tiger operators:

Downloads | Tiger Moth Club of New Zealand Inc

KoolKaptain 1st Oct 2015 05:21

So why didn't you proceed to your alternate?? Operating an aircraft outside the parameters it's certified to operate in must surely call for an ASIR... Unless of course 10 MPH is the "maximum demonstrated" crosswind, in which case it wouldn't be considered limiting.

Capt Fathom 1st Oct 2015 06:15

You should have diverted to Sydney International. :E

josephfeatherweight 1st Oct 2015 06:30

Most of the pundits have referenced this above, and, of course, we don't know the "full" story, BUT, the word of concern from the original post is "Had" as in "Had to land..." Maybe you did not have sufficient fuel to divert, but if this had not ended as magnificently as it seems to have, you'd be up the creek wrt insurance if you blatantly ignored an aircraft limit. Can you give us more background? Genuinely interested.

ACMS 1st Oct 2015 07:26

Well as a last resort

"Mayday mayday mayday......we ARE landing on that taxiway so clear it"

PA39 1st Oct 2015 07:32

x wind
 
The maximum x/w component for a particular aircraft type is demonstrated for certification purposes only. this does not mean that you or the aircraft can't be capable of landing in excess of this figure. You must practise this until you are very comfortable with your skill level.

Frank Arouet 1st Oct 2015 07:37

Your skill level ends when you run out of rudder control.

Dora-9 1st Oct 2015 07:41


Your skill level ends when you run out of rudder control.
Well said that man!

4Greens 1st Oct 2015 07:44

Tiger Moths were expected to land on grass and hence there would be no problem with cross winds.

desmotronic 1st Oct 2015 07:50

land across the runway almost doable?

Frank Arouet 1st Oct 2015 11:08

Why didn't you just land on 18/36?


Oh, sorry.

HotPete 1st Oct 2015 11:24

Bankstown 18/36
 
We let them close 18/36 with hardly a whimper

josephfeatherweight 1st Oct 2015 11:54


The maximum x/w component for a particular aircraft type is demonstrated for certification purposes only. this does not mean that you or the aircraft can't be capable of landing in excess of this figure.
And, the point is, Mothfly thought it was a limit! Maybe it is on the Tiger Moth?
I'm not wanting to castigate our friend Mothfly, there's always more to a story, again, I'm genuinely interested to know more. I'd love to fly one, one day!

The Green Goblin 1st Oct 2015 12:59

Last time I checked boys 10mph equals 16kph.

15kts equals almost 28kph.

I would have declared a panpan and advised I was landing on the taxi way.

Centaurus 1st Oct 2015 14:42


Tiger Moths were expected to land on grass and hence there would be no problem with cross winds.
Which is probably why there is no mention of crosswind limits in RAAF Publication No. 416 February 1944 Pilot's Notes for Tiger Moth Aircraft. By command of the Air Board no less and signed by the Secretary at Air Force Head Quarters, Melbourne, S.C.1. To be used in Conjunction with A.P.1732A :ok:

mattyj 1st Oct 2015 23:41

..yeah true..and the RAAF hardly crashed any tiger moths


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