Agreed, Horatio! Would be even better if she was named eventually as a Minister for Civil Aviation!:ok:

But it will never happen, because there are no votes in it!!!:*:mad::*:mad:

And this Federal Government has no vision or guts!:mad::mad::mad:

To be fair, neither would Labor if they were in power. (FM, what a horrible thought!!!:eek:)

Capt Cynical
 

You are right, I am wrong, but CLare Prop is right too - Sussan is Minister for Health AND Minister for Sport. :ok:

No one has been appointed Transport Minister in about 30 years unless they meet the following criteria.

Labor, Aircraft noise impacted electorate.

Liberal/National. National who therefore has an interest in exporting high value agriculture products.

I have said on this forum many times, until we get a Transport Minister who actually has a 1st priority of making Aviation work, we will continue the slide to oblivion. And I dont expect to see such a Minister in my lifetime.

Wunwing

YSBK costs.
 

And just how many times is the tax payer expected to "repay" the cost of the Bankstown Airport to the bureaucrats?
In the early 80's, you were struggling to find a parking spot for anything, and that was on the grass.
Enter the privatisation system.
Rents through the roof - the Clamback and Hennessey debacle, just for one instance, parking charges outrageous, etc, etc.
BAL were charging operators to park that operators own aircraft on land that the operator was leasing from the BAL. Sheesh. Was it leased land that the lessee wasn't allowed to access? That'd be BAL all over. A subsequent operator wanted to lease part of a hangar, NO - YOU CAN'T USE THE TOILET OR WASHROOM, THAT'LL BE ANOTHER $1000 A MONTH, THANKS.
Another long term (20+years) had their hangar door locked because they refused to stump 12 months lease in advance as "security". And no, no previous consultation about the changed rules. BAL had to have a Supreme Court npotice of Breach of Contract before the doors were unlocked.
I wanted my past boss to sue BAL. we got to a couple of $mill, but he backed out, didn't want to upset the apple cart.
HOW LONG, JUST HOW LONG IS THE INDUSTRY GOING TO ALLOW ITSELF TO BE SHAFTED BY THE UNCONSCIONABLE CONDUCT BEING FOISTED UPON THEM.
How many times have we seen the call to arms to stand together and oppose this bastardry, only to see it fall apart, because some operators have too much self interest to allow themselves to act for the greater good?
Perhaps now it is time.
What was that saying about bad things happen when good people do nothing??

Socialist propaganda, kim.

Bankstown was built by private enterprise.

It's not fair that the people who built Bankstown, by putting their own assets at risk, should now have to let freeloaders use the place.

The aviation operators at and the pilots who fly in and out of Bankstown might have some credibility if they contributed in some way - income taxes, exise, consumption taxes, ad valorem stamp duties etc. But - c'mon: We all know that they're just freeloaders.

I'm alert to the potential for you to be a terrorist. :=

Kim hear hear !

"Bankstown was built by private enterprise".

Really???

"The aviation operators at and the pilots who fly in and out of Bankstown might have some credibility if they contributed in some way"

Err, landing fees, parking fees, rent way above local commercial rates.

Bal is in a holding pattern, unfortunately time has caught up with it.

It failed to get rid of aviation in time to reap the benefits.

So we have a change of the guard, the airport is for sale at exactly the same dollars BAL owes its creditors.

Same shonks, same corruption, different names will accept the baton.

Bankstown is finished, worth too much unfortunately.

Political donations, retirement jobs, free farms in NZ will ensure the development sharks get their way.

Yep ThornB
 

But, what an opportunity, for the Govt to resume ownership of the aforesaid airport, for the cost of BAL's debts, and return it to its rightful place, that of being AN AIRPORT, for an airport, by an airport. No Landlord thugs running around dictating terms and conditions to the hapless tenants.
Sure, it would need a solid and viable business model to operate against, and again, the danger of an empire builder looms large.
With the likes of Dick Smith et al, there should be little trouble in developing a sustainable operation that would benefit all. The Fuehrer comes to mind, but he has probably had more than a gutful of BK.
We can only hope.:):)

Well..the Feds put in the runways, taxiways and tower. Most of the hangars etc WERE developed by private enterprise. The GAIT fees and fuel levy used to cover the use of the government owned part of the facilities.

The leases the tenants had on the ground they had developed weren't good enough protection from the developers refusing to renew them, even though the tenants had put up the buildings (or bought them from someone who had) themselves at their own risk, some found themselves forced to rent back their own property.

We have had plenty of bastardry here at Jandakot too and what used to be a pleasant drive through some lovely undulating banksia forest is now a snarl of stationary traffic surrounded by a concrete jungle. A testament to greed...and the duplicity of Peter Garrett signing off on the clearing.

Clare,
what happened at Jandakot is a national disgrace, has anyone looked at what political "donations" where made by the developers?

The thing is, with these very cashed up development sharks chomping great chunks out of the airports, if by some miracle the government decides the country actually needs an aviation industry, gets CAsA and all the other parasites under control and the industry has a renaissance and starts to grow, the land that was there for that growth aint there.
I could be wrong, but its been suggested that land that could have been used for a second runway at Perth is now covered with industrial parks which leaves the government a dilemma, massive costs to resume land for growth, or leave the industry stunted and shackled from lack of space.

Someone, somewhere had very little foresight. Short term $$$ for long term grief. Ahh, directorships, farms in NZ, political donations super topups, all tend to blind foresight.

When Ascot capital took over the Jandakot lease they hired a firm called "Arid consultants" whose job it was to spread the word what a great idea it was to "move" Jandakot down to North Dandalup and convince the "stakeholders".

These people were silly enough to start their pitch with the Jandakot tenants so we were all offside straight away with their silly talk about how the A380 would mean we couldn't operate at the Jandakot site etc etc and their total lack of knowledge about aviation, The Airports Act or the head lease. Things that we, as part of a consortium who had bid for the lease, were very familiar with. They also ruffled a lot of feathers amongst the rural and horsey folk in North Dandalup, one of whom started a very vocal action group called FLORA. All their "community meetings" were pretty much sabotaged by hecklers. :E:E

Some of us were able to find out pretty easily that these Arid people were also big noises in the WA Nationals. We got hold of Brendan Grylls' mobile number and he must have got pretty sick of some of the repetitive phone calls he got. :E:E particularly what this would do to the RFDS.

The state and federal (Carmen Lawrence) Labor MPs were pretty quiet about it all apart from Allanah McTiernan who was then WA Minister for Transport and didn't support the idea. It was Judith Adams (RIP) and Don Randall from the Federal Libs and Tony Simpson from the WA Libs who were on the tenants' side. So I doubt they were getting any donations.

Yes Thorn Bird they are doing everything they can to hem in and minimise the aviation area, have turned aviation land into "mixed use" and ensure that any future expansion will be impossible.

And don't get me started on Peter Garrett's role in all this.... :mad: