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Creampuff 29th Jan 2014 05:57

So someone under no immediate pressure came to the considered conclusion that covering up the aircraft’s rego would be an important and effective after-accident action?

By any chance was this idea announced with those immortal words: “I have a cunning plan!”?

Mail-man 29th Jan 2014 05:58

A previous operator I worked for had it in an "emergency response plan"

Howard Hughes 29th Jan 2014 06:08


I’ve never heard of anyone spraying over aircraft rego numbers after a prang.
This is a very normal practice, more about keeping the company name out of the papers rather than the aircraft rego! :ok:

Creampuff 29th Jan 2014 06:18

So how many minutes do these operators naively hope the aircraft’s rego and the operator’s identity will remain unpublished on e.g. PPRUNE, the ATSB website .... :eek:

aroa 29th Jan 2014 06:19

Painting..
 
Puffy...many moons ago a Bushies "Metro" out of Emerald, descended "gently" into a field just after t/o on a dark, wet night. Lucky pilot, not so for his undies!

As soon as or before it was dragged back to the field all was obliterated with white paint.
Who was the only Metro operator into EML in those days.?.. Bushies.
The most heard Q at the field ...Why did Bushies paint their Metro white?

Cant imagine what the management thought they were hiding. Probably got more publicity about the painting out of, than the actual accident itself

After the paint was barely dry..out came a HUGE disc cutter..Bbzzzzt....and Bushies metro was no more.!

Creampuff 29th Jan 2014 06:22

Just goes to show that the human genius for stupidity is almost infinite! :D

Arm out the window 29th Jan 2014 06:46


"The plane's engines are identical to those which failed on a Whyalla Airlines Piper Chieftain which crashed into Spencer Gulf in 2000, killing eight people."
"The plane was equipped with wings, as was the Concorde aircraft that crashed in France some years ago killing all on board in a fiery crash."

onetrack 29th Jan 2014 07:40

The Chieftains owner has just applied for a replacement slightly-modified aircraft rego, to better reflect his current business aims ... :E

http://oi61.tinypic.com/x1afwh.jpg

peterc005 29th Jan 2014 07:57

My bet is that the fuel tank selector switch was incorrectly set.

Not the first time a Chieftain has lost power on takeoff because of this,

Creampuff 29th Jan 2014 08:06

To what do you attribute the rather large bends, aligned with but opposite to the direction of rotation, of all three blades of both propellers? :confused:

Howard Hughes 29th Jan 2014 08:08


My bet is that the fuel tank selector switch was incorrectly set.
That was my first thought too!

Only have a few hundred hours on Navajos, but seem to remember it is very easy to do! ;)

Creampuff 29th Jan 2014 08:12

So run me through why you've discounted the possibility of a wheels-up landing. :confused:

peterc005 29th Jan 2014 08:12

Obviously the props were spinning when it hit the ground.

About ten years ago a client at work operated a Chieftain to visit remote sites, until one had a forced landing in a paddock a 1km from takeoff. Turned out the fuel switch was in the wrong position. The client subsequently bought a King Air.

Creampuff 29th Jan 2014 08:18

And were all three blades of both propellors on that Chieftain bent almost double, aligned with but in the opposite direction to the normal direction of rotation? :confused:

Two_dogs 29th Jan 2014 09:23

Looks like a PA-31-310 Navajo, not PA-31-350 Chieftain

Creamie, Your double posting of the directional rotational damage suggests you know the answer. What would cause the props to be bent in the wrong rotational sense? I opened the image and flipped it horizontally, the props are now bent in the correct rotational sense. However the pax door is now on the wrong side of the aircraft. :}


I cannot think of any reasonable explanation…

Desert Flower 29th Jan 2014 09:23


To what do you attribute the rather large bends, aligned with but opposite to the direction of rotation, of all three blades of both propellers?
Could be because they were feathered!

DF.

onetrack 29th Jan 2014 09:43

Two dogs, you just might be right.

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MakeItHappenCaptain 29th Jan 2014 09:43

How many people don't know the difference between a Chieftain (agreed, initially marketed as a Navajo II, then the Chieftain, but counter rotating props and one extra window up the side) and the base model Navajo (same direction of rotation and only four windows)?

This aircraft was a -310 Navajo. The media can be excused for fcuking it up, but many "experts" here don't seem to know the diff.

On the topic of the prop damage, while not professing to be an ATSB investigator, the left appears feathered (hard to tell on the right) and while feathered, but not shut down could be a conclusion, the direction of the bends might be better attributed to touching down with no significant power (props bend back) and then the hubs finishing thier travel into feather after the damage.:confused:

(ps, before refering to onetrack's picture above, it has been mirrored)
nb. Posted before I saw CP, 2D or OT's posts if it seems like I'm reitterating.

Ex FSO GRIFFO 29th Jan 2014 09:45

And the 'Winner' is......#28.....

Mr ONETRACK!!!

:ok::ok:


Creamy - That has been the 'SOP' for many years.
The first time I can remember is an 'Air India' B707 shortfalling - microburst (?) - due TS activity into Bombay (?), many many many years ago - and the man who painted out the 'company colours' got a BIG MENTION in despatches....

And some $$$'s....

The SLF may remember the incident, but without the 'Technicolour' pics, they 'soon fergit' the culprit, and so, 'Sales' are not compromised....well not for long anyway....

Cheers :):)

p.s. And...TKS to 1 TRK, the TROO prefix of G/A in OZ has been displayed for ALL to see!!!
'FUK' - vice 'VH' = HOW CASA views the G/A Multi Million $$ Industry in OUR COUNTRY!!!
:yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk:

Arnold E 29th Jan 2014 09:47


So run me through why you've discounted the possibility of a wheels-up landing
Because they were taking off .:ugh:


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