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Desert Flower 13th Dec 2013 21:29


Emu problems, eh? Sounds like someone will have to start applying Rule# 22/250.
That was my comment to one of the pilots that used to fly a Kingair in there. However apparently they're not allowed to, nor are they allowed to fence the strip.


How are ya DF?
Recovering from the hip replacement I had a month ago!

DF.

Mail-man 13th Dec 2013 21:50

http://www.cessnaconquest.net/65/87.html

Suggests the same warning as other C400's. Assuming the horn was functional. With flap not beyond approach gear up and power on that would make a mighty quick approach.

Arnold E 13th Dec 2013 22:03


Assuming the horn was functional
Horn was functional:ok:

500N 13th Dec 2013 22:39

"That was my comment to one of the pilots that used to fly a Kingair in there. However apparently they're not allowed to, nor are they allowed to fence the strip."

Any farmer anywhere should be able to get a permit to destroy protected wildlife if in numbers that are causing problems.

And if they won't give you one, a 4WD with a Bull bar works wonders,
especially on an airstrip where you can go fast and nothing the authorities
can do about it. They soon learn to stay away from those paddocks ;)

Jabawocky 14th Dec 2013 03:56


A dog farm!! Wow.... the divide between the city and the bush. Your neighbour farms them ...and C185 makes a living trying to get rid of them
And what a potent weapon he has too just quietly! :ok:

Jack Ranga 14th Dec 2013 04:09

Research conducted by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau found that distractions were a normal part of everyday flying and pilots generally responded to distractions quickly and efficiently.

Holy snap! Must make sure I'm one of those pilots!

Desert Flower 14th Dec 2013 05:49


Any farmer anywhere should be able to get a permit to destroy protected wildlife if in numbers that are causing problems.
You're forgetting that this is a uranium mine, & therefore the owners wouldn't take too kindly to anyone other than approved personnel being on the premises. When I was the ARO at YLEC (along with my husband) we had permits (or rather the aerodrome owner had them) to deal with the roos & emus, plus anything else that was found within the grounds - particularly the mangy mutts from the nearby towns that used it as a shortcut to the adjacent sheep paddock.


And if they won't give you one, a 4WD with a Bull bar works wonders
The one day I found a group of 20 emus standing on the tarmac just inside the main gates I had to make do with chasing them in my Holden Commodore. I didn't have the keys to the gun cabinet, plus it was almost time for the RPT aircraft to depart so I had to disperse them as quickly as possible.

DF.

fizflyer 14th Dec 2013 06:02

C441 horn
 
The horn sounds after more than takeoff flap has been extended. When approach flap is extended the horn can be inhibited by advancement of power levers above flight idle but that horn cannot be silenced by power lever advancement when landing /full flaps are selected. That is if landing gear hasn't been selected down!

boguing 14th Dec 2013 10:26

Young Emu. "Oh good, no horn, he's not going to try and kill us with the roundy roundy things".

Wise old Emu. "Young fool, no horn means he's going to try and get us with the bladey bladeys - RUN".

500N 14th Dec 2013 13:27

Desert

"You're forgetting that this is a uranium mine, & therefore the owners wouldn't take too kindly to anyone other than approved personnel being on the premises."

Yes, I agree. I know a few mines have dedicated eradicators etc to do the job.

Good to see someone had got permits. The other thing is, quite a few people I know get permits "just in case" and only use them if needed which is good.

Ramjet555 17th Dec 2013 13:16

Emus (five of them) blamed for wheels up landing!
 
Group of five emus cause pilot to "belly-flop" plane about 400km from Adelaide

http://resources0.news.com.au/images...45237cc09f.jpg

The ill-fated Cessna 441 aircraft, which landed with landing gear retracted. SOURCE: Australian Safety Transport Bureau Source: Supplied



A GROUP of emus on a rural landing strip in South Australia's north-east distracted a pilot who was forced to make a "belly flop" landing in September this year, an Australian Government report has found.
A Cessna 441 plane with eight passengers on board made a wheels-up landing on September 3, after it departed Adelaide on a routine charter flight to the Honeymoon aeroplane landing area, about 400km from Adelaide.
It was the pilot's third return flight to Honeymoon, a uranium mine, that day.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images...45237cc09f.jpg
The aircraft was en route to Honeymoon from Adelaide. Source: The Advertiser



But while on route to the destination, the pilot did not lower the landing gear.
Australian Transport Safety Bureau assistant general manager strategic capability Joe Hattley said the wheels did not have time to come out as a result of the pilot forgetting to lower the landing gear.
"As he was going through his final approach ... he was distracted by emus," he said.
"It is a fairly open area, there was a check to make sure the runway was clear (but) he spotted some emus ... (and) forgot to put the landing gear down."

http://resources0.news.com.au/images...45237cc09f.jpg
The pilot was distracted by emus while landing, according to the report. Source: News Limited



Mr Hattley said it was called a "belly landing" or "wheels up landing".
"So it damaged the bottom of the aircraft," he said.
Mr Hattley said no one was injured, but it was lodged as an incident because of the level of damage to the bottom of the plane.
In the report, the pilot said the landing gear warning horn did not sound.
Mr Hattley said the report reminded pilots about the possible distractions while flying and prevent them from happening.
"It (belly flop landings) happen from time to time," he said.
The report states: "This incident highlights the impact distractions can have on aircraft operations, particularly during a critical phase of flight."
Research conducted by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau found that distractions were a normal part of everyday flying and pilots generally responded to distractions quickly and efficiently.
"It also revealed that 13 per cent of accidents and incidents associated with pilot distraction between January 1997 and September 2004 occurred during the approach phase of flight," the report read.




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Mail-man 17th Dec 2013 14:00

Theres already a thread on this in dg&p wheels up at honeymoon!?

Pinky the pilot 18th Dec 2013 02:14

Standing by to be corrected, but is it true that until recently the aircraft was one of the two engineless hulks outside a hangar at YPAD and completely rebuilt only a few months ago?

I was told that it had logged less than 50 hours since the rebuild.:{

Desert Flower 18th Dec 2013 08:44

I first heard it at least 6 months or more ago.

DF.


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