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seneca208 8th Aug 2013 21:45

Aerostar Endo near Sydney
 
Hi guys,

I am looking for somebody who can endorse me on the Piper Aerostar, preferably near Sydney. The aircraft to be used is a 601P based in Mudgee currently.

Thanks,

Tinstaafl 8th Aug 2013 23:13

Pacific Flight Service/Crane Air at Bankstown might be able to help.

Capt Fathom 9th Aug 2013 11:15

Check the CASA Aircraft Register for Aerostars and work from there!

Lookleft 10th Aug 2013 05:42

And make sure that the person doing the endorsement is knowledgeable about the aeroplane. The Aerostar is a fun beast but a beast it is.

RatsoreA 10th Aug 2013 07:39

Sportscar of the sky
 
My favourite airplane to fly, by far.

It isn't a hard plane to fly at all, but is unforgiving of mishandling or incompetence. As long as you stick to the speeds like glue, you shouldn't have anything but fun.

What catches people out is letting it get slow around the downwind to base turn.

Regardless, if I had the cash, I'd buy two tomorrow!

seneca208 10th Aug 2013 07:52

Great, thanks for the replies everyone. Something to work on now anyway.

In terms of the commercial operation of these machines, has anybody got an opinion in the practicality of carrying freight/pax vs operating costs in comparison to the likes of a Chief or 402? The dry hire rate we have negotiated still seems expensive to me vs the useful load, but perhaps clients prefer/require/enjoy the extra speed?

T28D 10th Aug 2013 08:04

Designed by the right guy !!!!!!!

dhavillandpilot 10th Aug 2013 08:27

If you want to buy one I know Wingaway has one that they will sell you super cheap, plus provide the AOC to operate it.

RENURPP 10th Aug 2013 08:34

A bit off topic, hope you don't mind.

I've never flown one, I have watched one crash however. I was asked by "flight service" (remember them?) to watch and report when an Aerostar (601P) landed. It had an engine failure and was intending onlanding at the field I was at.
I watched it down final until at about 100feet the pilot decided a go-around was in order.
Initially it climber about 50 feet I guess then a gradual descent until it crashed into a wooded area about 500 metres away.
I suspected some serious njuries or worse, but fortunately, all were fine. The pilot had been knocked unconscious and had a cut on his head however he recovered no problems.

RatsoreA 10th Aug 2013 09:04


Great, thanks for the replies everyone. Something to work on now anyway.

In terms of the commercial operation of these machines, has anybody got an opinion in the practicality of carrying freight/pax vs operating costs in comparison to the likes of a Chief or 402? The dry hire rate we have negotiated still seems expensive to me vs the useful load, but perhaps clients prefer/require/enjoy the extra speed?
Back in the day, they used to use them for freight/bank runs out of YSBK. Even Airtex used them for that (PWY and IGN).

I don't know the specifics of what it cost, but it has been done.

falconx 10th Aug 2013 10:07

Check out the Aerostar with jet engines, no joke

18-Wheeler 10th Aug 2013 20:49


Check out the Aerostar with jet engines, no joke
That's a Westwind. ;)
I really liked the Aerostar as well, they have a lovely feel to them and a great turn of speed. The one I flew (601P VH-HFY) was capable of flying faster (235 kts) and higher (25,000') than some of the Metro 3's I flew.

Jack Ranga 11th Aug 2013 08:38

You should see HFY now ;)

Pilotette 11th Aug 2013 11:50

If you don't have any luck around Sydney, I did mine with Chris Gobel in Bendigo. Great machine, still enjoying every hour. Ours can carry 2 hrs of fuel plus all reserves and 490 kg of payload, cabin is nowhere near the size of a Chieftain, slightly roomier than a C210. Pax love it though. Enjoy!

kimwestt 11th Aug 2013 12:36

Wings Level
 
The NSW countryside is littered with 601 gear doors from putting wheels down when not absolutely straight and level. You have been warned...:eek:

UnderneathTheRadar 11th Aug 2013 12:38

Aerostar convention
 
Next weekend you'll find a few Aerostars being hosted by Pilotette up that certain creek.....

Tinstaafl 11th Aug 2013 21:27

It's not so much putting gear down in a turn, but with sideslip present. Of course a sideslip is more likely in a turn due pilots being lazy on rudder use.

RatsoreA 11th Aug 2013 22:18


The NSW countryside is littered with 601 gear doors from putting wheels down when not absolutely straight and level.
If memory serves me correctly, there are 3 within a few miles of Hay, NSW!

The Truckie 11th Aug 2013 22:29

I can do the endorsement. PM me if interested.

18-Wheeler 11th Aug 2013 22:50


It's not so much putting gear down in a turn, but with sideslip present. Of course a sideslip is more likely in a turn due pilots being lazy on rudder use.

^this^
You also should throw the wheels out at the lowest speed you can.


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