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CAO 40.2.3
6.2 The holder of a grade of the PIFR rating must not fly an aircraft under the I.F.R. unless:
(a) within the period of 2 years immediately before the day of the proposed flight, the holder has completed:
(i) a flight test under subsection 7, or a flight review under subsection 8, relevant to the grade; or
(ii) a flight test for the issue or renewal of a command grade of the instrument rating; and
(b) the holder has sufficient recent experience to undertake the flight safely.
Note: Guidance on recent experience is contained in CAAP 5.13-1 “Private IFR rating”.

And a flight review as per CAR 5.81 or 5.108 being;

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(5) A pilot who, within the period of 2 years immediately before the day of the proposed flight, has: (a) passed a flight test conducted for the purpose of: (i) the issue of an aeroplane pilot licence; or (ii) the issue, or renewal, of an aeroplane pilot rating; or (b) satisfactorily completed an aeroplane proficiency check; or (c) satisfactorily completed aeroplane conversion training given by the holder of a grade of flight instructor (aeroplane) rating that authorises him or her to conduct aeroplane flight reviews; is taken to have satisfactorily completed an aeroplane flight review.

Then yes, the CIR renewal would satisfy the PIFR requirement. The ME component of a PIFR is just another FPA. To put it in perspective, all you need to do to upgrade a CIR(SE) to (ME) is fly one approach (take your pick) as ME with the ATO, same as PIFR.

SE is the same procedure, just without the engine failures.:ok:

Ps. Or you could just read CAO 40.2.3 Para 6.2 (ii) as qouted.:cool:

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You should find a friendly local simulator and try and get on it once a month

Wish I could find a woman like that.:ok:

Mate, they're everywhere :ok: cost about the same as an hour in the sim :D

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Maybe the question should have been phrased: does an MECIR renewal also renew the PIFR(SE)? That's it, just what the rules say is what I was having difficulty finding.

I requested the ATO to do that at a CIR renewal. He duly signed off the PIFR in the AFR section of my log book but I rather got the feeling he did not like doing it. I think he was a bit disdainful of the PIFR generally. I don't think you have to ever 'renew' the PIFR. It's just an AFR with a qualified person and so your ATO can sign that off when you renew the CIR, if they so choose.

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I don't think you have to ever 'renew' the PIFR. It's just an AFR with a qualified person

Yes it is an AFR, however it must cover the PIFR skills.

At last review I was required to do two AFR's, one for VFR and another for PIFR, including my FPA's.

Is it every year or 2 years?

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Mate, they're everywhere http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif cost about the same as an hour in the sim :D

Does that include unusual attitudes?:E