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VH-XXX 17th Mar 2013 09:35


and a tail wind while turning caused it? really.
As uneducated as that comment may be and likely not relevant, it does have technical merit for an aircraft attempting to land and one of the reasons why the turn-back should be avoided due to the ever-so tightening turn onto final that one must make with the wind up your clacker.

Flying Binghi 17th Mar 2013 09:38


via Ultralights;
...ATSB will be investigating? ... really.
From the SA Police website...

Police are appealing for anyone who witnessed the crash to contact the Police Assistance Line on 131 444.

The Air Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) will conduct an investigation into the crash and police will prepare a report for the Coroner.


- See more at: Spitfire plane crash at Salisbury - Update - South Australia Police News





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baswell 17th Mar 2013 09:46

Reliable friend tells me a reliable eye witness (whom I know well too) told him it definitely spun, looks like he had recovered but ran out of altitude...

Now the cause of the spin - lets hope ATSB finds enough eye witnesses and other evidence to figure that one out.

the_rookie 17th Mar 2013 09:54

Surprised you didn't pick up on the plane that suffered an efato last week XXX. Think it was at tyabb.

VH-XXX 17th Mar 2013 09:57

On an un-related note those engines are impressive. Came out in the Holden Rodeo, a 3.5 litre petrol quad cam alloy V6. 260? HP from memory. I had a Rodeo 4x2 powered by one and it went like a rocket. I understand that a chap in Melbourne bought quite a number of them and modified them to become dual ignition and sold them to the UK where dual ignition is / was mandatory - sold like hotcakes. I believe the Supermarine factory now arranges the engines and does a nice looking gearbox too. I saw one running in the hangar of a mate building his and you could literally balance a coin on it's end on the top of the block whilst it was running (no joke).

VH-XXX 17th Mar 2013 09:58


Surprised you didn't pick up on the plane that suffered an EFATO last week XXX.
Surely you'd be referring to the one that lost its' prop half way between Tyabb and French island that I referred to earlier in this thread?

the_rookie 17th Mar 2013 10:03

That could be the one. Reports from people in the air at the time said it was an efato since he landed in swamp not far from the airport. Could be wrong though!

bentleg 17th Mar 2013 10:25

Video of VSF at Barossa in 2009


VH-XXX 17th Mar 2013 10:29

Yeah that's the one. Started vibrating in the cruise, turned back and prop fell off. Can't mention much more on this one right now.

Capt Fathom 17th Mar 2013 10:38


Can't mention much more on this one right now
What is that saying about villages and idiots?

VH-XXX 17th Mar 2013 10:44

It didn't actually crash so it was a non-event really. Sorry for the thread-drift.

gileraguy 17th Mar 2013 11:17

XXX

I used to routinely balance a 50 cent piece on Mazda / Eunos V6 intake manifolds as a means to show a customer how well balanced the engine was.

When you revved the engine harmonic vibrations would spin the coin on it's edge.

RobShan 17th Mar 2013 12:29

The photos and video can be misleading, however it appears the right wing has separated prior to impact with the ground.

Pilot killed in replica Spitfire plane crash at Salisbury in Adelaide's northern suburbs | News.com.au

Pilot killed at air show crash - Yahoo!7 News

Jabawocky 17th Mar 2013 12:39

Rob, both wings are at the crash scene, but the right one is obscured in some photos.

I would bet they were both firmly attached prior to impact based on the image I saw with both there. I think it's fairly easy to see what happened when you see the whole thing.

Sad day for all at Parafield and in SA generally in the GA scene.

Road_Hog 17th Mar 2013 14:17


Originally Posted by Chrisj800
Is it a full size replica as I've seen an 80% sized one out at Camden.

Nope, most (well almost all) aren't replicas. Here is a picture of (from link proivded in previous post) of the aircraft:

http://resources1.news.com.au/images...ger-stokes.jpg

And here is a Google image of a Spit:

http://ww2today.com/wp-content/uploa...fire-Malta.jpg

RJM 17th Mar 2013 21:35

Replica Spitfire crash in South Australia - fatal
 
Australian pilot Mr Roger Stokes, 73, was killed yesterday when his home-built scaled replica Spitfire VH-VSF nosedived into vacant land at an air show at Parafield Aerodrome, South Australia.

Witnesses said that the aircraft had completed a barrel roll when a wing appeared to come off.

Jabawocky 17th Mar 2013 23:16

Really? :ugh:

Media reports of witnesses :rolleyes::ugh:

both wings are with the fuselage. Watch the 7 news video footage. Clear as day. Right wing is in front of the tree.

If you cant work this out from the location of the engine and firewall forward, the location of the wings, well planky is not at risk of losing his well earned title is he.

It appears from the video that all the components are in an area the size of the original plane.

Wings falling off just gets the media in a spin....so to speak. Most witnesses would not know a stall/spin from a roll of any kind.

cbradio 18th Mar 2013 00:44

I think I read that the witness telling that story was a 12 year old.

VH-XXX 18th Mar 2013 00:50

I have heard from several sources a right turn of 60'ish degrees with flaps and wheels extended heading onto final and a flip to the left as it stalled.

T28D 18th Mar 2013 01:24

Probably in behind the drag curve in the turn, low altitude gives no options for escape.


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