I don't know why I do this. (contribute to a wankathon), Boredom perhaps, but;

Given Australlian land mass 7.5 million sq kilometers.

x 500 ft intervals to 20,000 ft = 40 x 7.5 = 300,000,000 (million) sq kilometers. Some of you bokes want to "own" this all, because an Auster with a turbocharger might bite you on the bum. Whats the odds you gamblers? I met a Chinaman at the casino the other day that will give odds. Worked out pretty much in his favour but.

Stick to the "J" curve if you must, but leave us in the boonies alone.

Space travellers excluded of course.

Above FL 200, do your own thing.

Francis.....wrong thread, mate!:hmm:

Apologies, I thought this was about wide area augmentation system to facilitate a space sponsored ADSB like system that would inpact upon people like me in "the boonies" who fly VFR from paddock to paddock and simply don't give a toss about people mucking about in clouds in class C airspace and don't want to be made to pay to make other peoples perceived safety threats meet the new CASA standards.

Safe sky's are empty sky's, even in Ralmadel.

I'll take that as a dorethy dixer..:)


Interesting yer bring up "bombed out" there Capn Bloggs

Few years back i did make mention on occasion of the potential fer terrorists to use GPS guided drones (UAV/UAS) as very precise bombs. There were many derogertary comments about it at the time... Bingy's buzz bombs ah think they were called by some..:hmm:

Seems all the research i did at the time of the literature and blog commentators suggesting the potential for terrorists using GPS for bomb drone guidence is coming to be as has been proven by the recent Hezbollah GPS guided drone (UAV/UAS) flight into Israel. (The latest is apparently the sixth known UAV flight and it appears it were unarmed)

Bringing WAAS and simular into the equation with enhanced 'vertical' GPS the terrorists should be able to 'deliver' a bomb drone to a cubic metre of airspace.


GPS - the best tool for terrorists ever invented...








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Francis, the argument is how we missed out on getting an enhanced GPS system for feckall dollars. There were certain among us who espoused an amount that was a figure too big to jump over. I was inclined to believe them because I did not have accurate information to disprove them...so...no argument from me. And now, we find that figure was in accurate by a factor of at least 50, do you think I am not happy? $60million, this prigs spend more on shuttling refugees around the country. NOT HAPPY, JAN!

Yes well, when you put it that way..................

All the best for Christmas.;)

A little bit of info dug up by a wily old dog:ok:

Ground based GPS backup system to cover White Sands Missile Range
Interesting!

An Australian Company!

Ground based backup system that is DGPS accurate. The issue will be if these guys are willing to jump through all the TSO hoops. Hope they do.

Does not require satellite input!

Nunzio Gambale on Radio National 2010

Article Canberra Times

And be able to convince Garmin, etc, to make their receivers compatible.

That is very unlikely to happen. Why? Where is Garmin's biggest market? Does that market need another augmentation system?

Flying bing hi. Gps is very easy to jam. Try using one near a US warship with its "gear" turned on.

Frank, the trouble with your " big skies " theory is that most people fly point to point, and if they are navigating via GPS and using aerodrome reference points as waypoints then you can guarantee they will track identically and you had better pray for sufficient quadrantal altitude discipline.

I've had that happen to me, which is why I now " fly all over the sky" and always offset from recognized waypoints.

I guess we will get WAAS when car drivers and miners need it.

Broad acre farmers, exploration crews, transport,....any need for better than first order tachyometry.

Locatacorp may classify as a propitiatory GBAS system. However it shows the technology available.

Ah, a GBAS system that appeases the angry GPS gods. Very important when navigating near Mt Olympus and Valhalla. Some say that a propitiatory system also atones for sins against the lesser CASA deities, but this has been demonstrated to be heresy.

Bludy apple phones Propriatory...:ugh:

Howabout I try.....proprietary....:{

TSO c145 compliance is pretty much impossible without licensing patents. (Don't get me started!)

As much as I hate it, I see the next generation of this sort of stuff being proprietary. Best we can hope for is the requirement that it be licensed under reasonable terms if adopted by government.

This has been the norm in the US with a lot of technologies for a long time, most prominently TV and radio.

If you're talking about software and hardware implementation at the user level, well, you're absolutely right, no argument. There are some very clever proprietary algorithms in use even now to get more & more accuracy out of the basic signal.

I think it's helpful that the GPS space and control segments are operated by the USA for national security purposes. The technology is owned by a very public-spirited, dare I say generous, govt. The next iteration of civil technology is likely to use multiple frequencies to generate a fix currently only available to P (military) code users, so will continue to be free to all.

That is certainly a problem, hence the recommendation to always fly 1 nm right of track --- you will find it somewhere in the AIPA.
This procedure (long used in international ops --- in some parts of the world we flew 5R on the doppler, due local ATC, back in B707 days) is now formal, despite the long and loud objections of the AFAP. In those days it wasn't legal, but being alive beats legal any day.

Better still, with GPS, VFR, why track via areas of possible traffic. IFR, direct tracking where possible, and stick with 1R

Remember the definition of ATC: "A system whereby a small number of aircraft, in a vast and empty sky, are all concentrated over one point, greatly increasing the collision risk, thereby justifying air traffic control".

Merry Christmas, all!!.

Tootle pip!!

lol :D :D

You're a stupid prick if ever there was one! lol

Happy Christmas Leadie :ok:

Jack,
Such kind words for Christmas.
Why am I reminded of an old saying: "It takes one to know one"
Tootle pip!!

Hey Leedie, give us a Christmas present for a change; give us a reference! :8

http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...y-landing.html

This is another reason why the aviation industry should push for Australia to implement a WAAS equivalent.
Virgin (and QANTAS) caught above Mildura with airport navaids inadequate to the weather conditions, and diminishing options.
Public safety is a powerful argument for industry lobbying, and the approaching election is the time to do it.