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michael36 9th Jun 2012 06:10

Airspace Boundaries
 
Let's say you are flying through Avalon airspace at 2500ft. Those familiar with the aerodrome would know the AV CTR is class D from the surface to 2500ft. From 2500ft to 4500ft you are in Class E airspace. If you intend to fly at 2500 ft in the AV area as a VFR aircraft will you be in class D or E airspace.

wishiwasupthere 9th Jun 2012 06:22

Check AIP ENR 1.4 Para 1.1.7. If cruising at the boundary of two vertically joining airspace areas, you must comply with the requirements of the less restrictive class of airspace (Class E is less restrictive than Class D). I can't remember the specifics though but the Class E around AV is a bit different than normal Class E in that you need to call the the tower even if you're transitting VFR. :ugh: Been bitten on the ass by that one before!

MajorCorporalArse 9th Jun 2012 07:05

A025 is class D

yarrayarra 9th Jun 2012 08:03

Just checked with my compadres and they confirm A025 is Class E

BlatantLiar 9th Jun 2012 08:38

It's always the less restrictive of the airspaces. I thought this would have been pretty common taught knowledge.

edit : And no, you don't need to contact anyone, just monitor the frequency and squawk. They made it pretty clear when AV Approach came into place. Probably to not clog up the 135.7 controller with pretty ordinary transiting calls.

VH-XXX 9th Jun 2012 08:40

Oh dear, the things you read on here.

2,500 to 4,500 ft is class E over Avalon.

You do not need to call the tower to transit class E over Avalon because it is not their airspace, however you must fly in accordance wih standard procedures for class E airspace, eg radio, transponder etc.

If you do call Avalon tower they will tell you to call someone else who cares.

Scamp Damp 9th Jun 2012 09:12

If you have any concerns, why not fly at 2501' - the answer is very clear then.... if you are scared of E, fly at 2499' :ouch:

What is the tolerance applied to altimeters ... that may be your get out of jail card if you are 225'd

VH-XXX 9th Jun 2012 09:41

The whole 2,501 ft thing is plain crap.

It's 2500 to 4500 ft Class E !

Class D below it, is surface to 2,500 ft.

Period.

UnderneathTheRadar 9th Jun 2012 09:49

MajorCorporalArse


A025 is class D
And he wonders why people want check flights?

kaz3g 9th Jun 2012 11:12

The Avalon procedures are listed here for both tower and non-tower times

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - OnTrack

kaz

VH-XXX 9th Jun 2012 12:54


MajorCorporalArse

Quote:
A025 is class D

And he wonders why people want check flights?
To clarify, this is NOT correct!

Awol57 9th Jun 2012 13:33

As a Class D ATC you would be surprised how often I get asked that question!

Capn Bloggs 9th Jun 2012 15:07


Originally Posted by Kaz
The Avalon procedures are listed here for both tower and non-tower times

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - OnTrack

kaz

Nothing in Ontrack about Avalon that I can find...

Checkboard 9th Jun 2012 19:00

It's under the Moorrabbin entry. :rolleyes:

Capn Bloggs 10th Jun 2012 01:34


It's under the Moorrabbin entry. :rolleyes:
That's clever.

Arnold E 10th Jun 2012 01:44


It's under the Moorrabbin entry. :rolleyes:
Ofcourse it is, when you want Melbourne you look up Sydney dont you??:E

VH-XXX 10th Jun 2012 02:20

In their defence they are essentially right next to each other in terms of airspace.

Capn Bloggs 10th Jun 2012 02:23


In their defence they are essentially right next to each other in terms of airspace.
What, another link and another two web pages? Is that too hard or made by a non-pilot? Flying's difficult enough as it is without this.

Homesick-Angel 10th Jun 2012 04:08

025-045 is E, but it is a piece of airspace I always give an advisory on centre. It is a busier piece of airspace than you might think, and surely for the 5 seconds it takes to give the controller the heads up it can save you and them some stress...

kaz3g 10th Jun 2012 06:01


Nothing in Ontrack about Avalon that I can find...
It's a nav test.

kaz


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