'G/A' Aviation 'User Fees'...
In the immortal words of M.L.K......
"I Have a Dream'.... From 'EAA Hotline' (USA) 3rd Feb....a couple of weeks ago.... Note Minister Albanese... " GA SCORES VICTORIES IN FAA REAUTHORIZATION BILL As the first full FAA Reauthorization Bill in nearly five years heads toward a final floor vote in the House and Senate in the next few days, general aviation will see a number of benefits from the language approved by House and Senate conferees this week. A major victory for general aviation is the exclusion of user fees and fuel tax increases in the legislation. While it is still possible that the Obama Administration will introduce a user-fee proposal as part of its budget plan, the lack of them in the reauthorization measure shows that Congress still has little inclination to support such fees. " Congress has 'little inclination to support such fees".... WOW!! G/A in the USA, must be almost G/A 'Heaven'..?? I well remember the times when G/A supplied 'essential services' to the outlying towns, cattle / sheep stations in our 'GAFA'.... The mail runs, the freight runs, the charters to where-ever.... The Industry, the employment, of pilots and LAMEs and lots of other staff... Even did a few of those myself. AAhh...those WERE the days..!! Cheers:ok::ok: Now...:=:yuk::{ |
GA. Does it still exist? Or has it morphed into the Oxfords of this world that just churn out airline cadets?
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GA. Does it still exist? Or has it morphed into the Oxfords of this world that just churn out airline cadets? Everything these day's is about obtaining an associated degree or a Diploma in aviation, and where does this get you may i ask :confused: Might as well pack up your bag's and move to Alaska. That's where you find the 'fun' stuff..:E |
In the USA GA is the largest aviation activity type so it definitely does still exist. :ok:
Remember, there is more aviation activity on any given day in the US than the rest of the world combined.:ok: People fight the Govt bureaucrats and politicians at all levels of Govt to prevent BS laws passing that will harm the industry and/or their sector of it or even change operations at their local airport and because every sector does the same thru different organizations, especially US AOPA which has a 400 000 plus membership and a very good political lobby and action group ( and media affairs unit that puts GA's side forward to the public especially after a serious accident). We certainly could take a big lesson from them. Also a large number of politicians, especially in congress are or were pilots and are also members of AOPA so they actively vote against any legislation counterproductive to aviation. EVERY single year though, whatever administration is in power tries to introduce a huge "User Fees " model and every year the aviation community fight back and make sure it doesn't pass. Everyone pays their share to fund the FAA and run the aviation system thru a fuel tax so the more you use the more you pay. Any remaining aviation funding required is paid out of general revenue, as it bloody well should be, the system and industry is a vital part of the nations infrastructure and economy. VITAL to any modern nation, especially ones as large as USA and Australia. We should have definitely stuck to a similar model here. The imposition of user fees for every single damn thing is a bloody outrage. :ugh::ugh::mad::mad: $25 for a 2-3 page copy of your licence and $75 to get someone to evaluate your medical after you have already passed, come on.How did we allow this insanity to get into place??:ugh::ugh: Speaking of which I have to ring CASA right now to pay for my medical I passed last week.:mad::mad: |
The biggest trouble in Oz with ref to GA is the population & the land mass, the two are miles apart so to speak. We simply don't have the population & therefore the infrastructure to support a healthy GA fraternity. Mainland States has about the same land size as us yet over 260 Mill people live there, we have what? 23Mill or so! That added to the costs of flying GA with fuel & spares etc out of control along with a Regulator that is hell bent emulating AJ of QF (vision or lack thereof) in destroying GA as well as our over regulated skies means GA as it was once is slowly dieing for the masses,it's the wealthy only that will end up aviating here on a pvt level.
Apart from the RFDS Australia has never really embraced aviation outside of commercial transport. We have the oldest known human inhabitants on the planet,resource wealth the envy of most countries, we are far enough away from the rest of the mad world yet we are the most backward in some ways of the western world, aviation is just part of that backward approach! 'User pays',will some day be known 'user paid'..........end of an era!! Wmk2 |
Hey Wal,
The 'mid - 60's' thru to the end of the 70's was probably 'the' period of G/A in OZ. Imagine being able to fly almost anywhere 'populated', and there was the airport / airstrip - Commonwealth funded, no landing fees, fuel avbl almost everywhere... When I first came to WA to work, quite a few of the local 'cockies' had a 172 or similar...not any more! Then the 'nuptys' took over and sold off the airports, and that was just the start of the demise..... I think it was the 'Bosch' report that finally killed it - you know - 'User Pays'.....and pays....and pays.... No longer was G/A seen as an integral part of 'our infrastructure'. It was, and still is seen only as a 'cash cow' to be milked - after all if ya got an aeroplane then ya got $$$'s. RIGHT?? Stupid no - sense politicians....BOTH sides..!!:yuk::yuk: As 'someone else' (shudder) said on these esteemed forums - "We should do things like they do in the USA......":cool: Well, SOME things anyway....:cool: |
Well said Wally, Yes I am aware of all of that, didn't want to type it all out but knew someone else would so thank you.
Despite that, all those responsible for proposing and implementing user fees in this country should be taken out and bloody well shot as far as I'm concerned.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif Yes the lower 48 states are about the exact same size of Aust and the current US population is 313 Million!! Just saw your post too Griffo, well said. |
Aussie027
$25 for a 2-3 page copy of your licence and $75 to get someone to evaluate your medical after you have already passed, come on.How did we allow this insanity to get into place?? Its funny, I don't have too much problem with user pays, whether it be a direct charge like above, or via subliminal means like a fuel tax, but when it becomes blatantly a rip off then I become a lot less supportive. http://www.mustangtech.com.au/images...on_twisted.gif For 100 bucks, I want my medical, next day, Express posted!!!! The whole idea of a passed medical needing to be evaluated is just plum http://www.mustangtech.com.au/images/smiles/loopy.gif |
Gee 'aussie027' yr right the yanks have been playing mummies & dadies a LOT over the last few years:-) 313 Mill yanks!!!!.........christ any wonder Mackers & KFC are doing well!!.:)
'Griffo' I agree,for me it was the late 70's & early 80's that was great:ok: CASA & to some extent the Govt would love to rid Aus of GA as few are coming up thru the ranks for training for Airline gigs anyway & the gen public mostly think that pilots are all rich so why not tax the hell out of them! Bit like smoking, if you wanna do it bad enuf you will pay for it !!! Wmk2 |
Wally
Long time nice the USA had only 260m, they are at 311 million......that they know of. Call it 320, It's almost 14 times ours. But you are correct, market volume but take our stats and times it by 14, see how it stacks up despite the extra cost due small size. |
Aaaaahhhhh whatif....?
Bounty Refused The Australian Government has refused to give any form of protection to the manufacture of singleengined aircraft in Australia. The Minister for Trade and Industry, Mr J. McEwen, announced this in Canberra when releasing a Tariff Board report on single-engined aircraft. "In the board's opinion there is little prospect, for the present, of profitable production of light aircraft in Australia without a level of assistance out of all proportion to the probable gains to the economy," Mr McEwen said. Mr Ernest Marty, sales manager of Transavia, makers of the PL 12 Airtruk agricultural aircraft, said it was a tragic decision. "It will certainly discourage anyone from trying to build aircraft in this country," he added. His company would press for another Tariff Board hearing, as the situation had changed since the last inquiry. Victa's managing director, Mr C. R. Fieldhouse, would not comment. Victa Ltd, with Transavia, had requested a subsidy for the production of light aircraft. Since the inquiry, Victa has closed its $A3 million aviation plant. At the inquiry the company sought a "bounty" (i.e., subsidy) of a maximum of 60 per cent on the average factory cost of Australian designed and manufactured aircraft. It asked that the bounty should last for five years. Transavia asked for a sliding bounty which would cover 32.9 per cent of the total cost of the first ten aircraft, 15.4 per cent of the next 25, and 5.3 per cent of the next 50. The organisations opposing protection were Rex Aviation Ltd, Ansett General Aviation Pty Ltd, Piper, Hawker De Havilland Australia Pty Ltd, the Association of Commercial Flying Organisations of Australia, Hazelton Air Services Pty Ltd and the Australian Tariff Council. Among their submissions were that Australia was not yet a big enough market to support a local aircraft industry. That burst of aviation expansion was done on the back of cheap US aircraft dumped on Australia. The secret to prosperity...availability of very affordable aeroplanes. Then, Whitlam and his amalgamation and that train driver....then Hawke, the Bosch report, user pays...but not on safety related services...and the millionaire judas goat. Competition Commision and user pays on everything. Selling off the assets to try and rein in the budget...I just love the way the lefties do it...class warfare on the so called rich and all the while they are after EVERYONE. Still works today! However, Tyabb airshow in two weeks:ok: |
Australian Restrictions? Victa Aviation has asked the Australian
Government to restrict the sale of imported two-seater aircraft. Agents for the three major American light aircraft builders have applied to import over 100 two-seaters during 1966, while Victa estimates the total two-seat market in 1966 as only 80 aircraft. This year Victa built around 70 per cent of all the two-seaters sold in Australia. The sudden expansion of American interest in Australia is largely due to the energy of Cessna, who require every one of their dealers to take at least five 150s per year to support the greatly expanded production of this type |
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