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jas24zzk 17th Jan 2012 12:26

Small soap box
 

Hopefully it turns out this was all computer graphics and we can all get down off our soap boxes

Unfortunatley, i don't think that the graphic guys are that good...............


And I know we won't be getting off our soap boxes any time soon...not whilst our controlling body is heavily handedly reactive, instead of pro-active.

jas24zzk 17th Jan 2012 12:27

its kinda like the dead horse you have to flog because there is nothing else to do :ugh:

Checkboard 17th Jan 2012 12:47

Assuming the guy has a sling load endorsement - do the regs actually forbid waterskiing? :E

Troy Dan did it in 2007:

... and there are plenty of other You-tube vids on it:


Ex FSO GRIFFO 17th Jan 2012 13:26

Ha Ha Ha ....@ say, $100 per 5 minutes, AND + the video....a man could make a fortune....:D:D:D

thorn bird 17th Jan 2012 19:21

Checks,
I was mulling over the same question.
Is water skiing behind a chopper any more dangerous than behind a boat?
Is towing a water skier more dangerous than slinging a load? or winching a paramedic down among the trees?
Bloody expensive way to ski, but any more dangerous than a conventional tow?

blackhand 17th Jan 2012 19:51

As long as ski towing is in his ops manual

Jabawocky 17th Jan 2012 20:11

Towing skiers is possibly not where it is at, leaving kids in a running helo might be.

I also do not see any issue about croc or egg collecting either, there is no safety issues there. But it seems they are throwing buckets of poo in the hope they get some to stick. Sound familiar?

404 Titan 17th Jan 2012 20:55

There is nothing safe about towing a water skier with a helicopter just as there is nothing safe about towing a boat with a helicopter. I’m sure that a charge of reckless flying could easily be upheld in a court.


Checkboard 17th Jan 2012 21:32

That chopper crashed because there was
  1. no release mechanism
  2. no plan
  3. the boat was MUCH heavier than a skier.

You can't say with certainty anything about a single skier with a hand-held tow rope.

404 Titan 17th Jan 2012 22:00

Checkboard

I can say with certainty that it is a clear case of reckless at best and endangering life at worst. As far as I’m concerned a chopper as light as an R22 towing a water skier is just as dangerous as a B206 towing a small boat. There is absolutely no room for error if something goes wrong. It demonstrates a clear case of reckless flying which is legislated for in the CAR’s.

Checkboard 17th Jan 2012 22:16


There is absolutely no room for error if something goes wrong
Really? :hmm: NO room at all, eh? Sling load NEVER happens under an R22?


Those guys training wouldn't have a cable release system?

A skier has NO hope of letting go of a tow cable? :rolleyes:

404 Titan 17th Jan 2012 22:41

Checkboard

You and I know that the load on a sling load is roughly constant where the load on the cable from a water skier is variable at best just as it is behind a boat. This alone would make the control of the chopper variable. I also don’t see a water skier under a sling load 100% of the time. Also last time I looked a sling endorsement doesn’t authorise a pilot to tow a water skier. There is a reason for this. Because it’s reckless.

blackhand 17th Jan 2012 22:49

G'day 404 Titan
You will not get these people to agree that this rascal did anything wrong.
It is either CASA's, ASA's or QANTAS' fault.
Perhaps even caused by chemtrails or Political Correctness gone stark raving mad
Em tasol

tail wheel 17th Jan 2012 23:07

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...VH-TLO2Red.jpg

Ex FSO GRIFFO 18th Jan 2012 00:08

For dat one,......only $20 for the 5 minutes....AND + the video!

:ok:

Jabawocky 18th Jan 2012 01:08

But it is still a boat! ;)

That could just as easy be 185skywagon and Beachking on the Warrego :ok: :}

Desert Duck 18th Jan 2012 02:35

Jaba

Would be great if the Warrego looked that good.

Brian Abraham 18th Jan 2012 04:58


there is nothing safe about towing a boat with a helicopter
Fully understand the message you are trying to give, but it can be done if you go about it in the correct manner, and willing to accept the attendant risks, if any.

A Columbia 107 towed a hover barge over 50 miles of broken ice to an offshore drilling island. The barge was then loaded with equipment bringing its total weight to 220 tons, and towed back to shore. The 107 was able to tow the hover barge with a 600-foot longline with speeds up to 10 knots proving a new method of equipment transport.

http://www.colheli.com/images/site/g...over-barge.jpg

Sarcs 18th Jan 2012 05:16

Brian Abraham top phot that!!:ok::ok::D

BEACH KING 18th Jan 2012 05:23

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...VH-TLO2Red.jpg
Pretty sure that's Lake Neverfill at Roma;)


That could just as easy be 185skywagon and Beachking on the Warrego
I wouldn't think so. C185's don't go fast enough to barefoot behind.


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