Pelair aav contract
 

Does anyone have info on the boys and girls at Essendon base Air Ambulance?
Are They Happy? How are conditions?
What are the min Requirements?

I suspect they have been told to stay off PPRUNE

I have heard things are not that dandy with Pelair and the air ambulance contract??? Any news???

SN

Pelair
 

LOL nothing is ever dandy at smellair.

PELAIR AAV update
 

Things are tough for the B200 drivers at AAV. Long hours - time pressures to plan a flight and get it out in 20 mins, 6 to 8 sectors on a dayshift or back of the clock on nightshift, into a black hole in marginal weather at an unfamiliar airport, plus bad smells from patients - aeromedical is not quite as glamorous from the inside looking out!

Add to this a gruelling roster, unnecessary 'company' pressures and not surprisingly the pilots get a bit tired and fed up. Equally un-surprising is the pilot turnover rate which PELAIR are struggling to maintain - hence the permanent advert on their website. Good for anyone wanting to try their hand at aeromed.

I have heard that pelair are happy to accept the penalties for non complience, apparently it's cheaper than employing enough pilots to cover the program.

SN

That's fine until the coroner's court gets involved; then comes either criminal prosecution, civil action from a greiving family, or both.

This may be very interesting to see how they the two parties handle this one.

SN

I have no sympathy for the Govt (or those whom made the decision to accept PelAir as the provider) in this case as AAV had a good service provider (RFDS) in place for many years, it all boiled down to $$$$ at the end of the day as does everything when it comes to aviation. There is no place for safety in aviation as it costs money & we can't have that!!!

It costs big bucks to provide that level of service so the person or persons whom made the final decision wants a swift kick up the Khyber!
I genuinely feel sorry for the guys/gals at the coal face, the pilots who do the actual work (4get their employer we all know them !!!). The guys/gals also at the coal face of the AAV who struggle at times with very stressful situations working with limited 'tools'.
I do hope that the Govt see the error of their ways sometime soon (doubtful) & terminate the PelAir contract & reinstate the RFDS so that those who deserve excellent service the most, the patients get the very best!

Wmk2

Wally
Apparently they undercut the RFDS by such a large margin it made it impossible for the RFDS to even get close. So basically if the RFDS can't do it at that price given their sector knowledge and economy of scale advantage then I'm afraid pelair have no hope. The big difference between the two is that the AAV got far more than they paid for with the RFDS. The RFDS does certain things and always with patient care at the forefront, who pays at the end of the day is not so important.

I think the RFDS went after the contract more for the territory and economy of scale rather than screwing the costs down so low that the level of service suffers. I doubt the RFDS would get it back by a handshake. If the pelair thing goes toes up they'll either get more money so the government can save face or it will go back to tender with an interim operator as was the case in the NT.

Time will tell!

SN

I am aware of the details 'SN'.
This Govt( as well as past Govt's) have little to no idea what they are doing when it comes to this sort of thing.The Amann fiasco is a typical Eg of what Govt's can do to stuff up things big time! Long story that one with both parties at fault I believe.

Like most things in life when it comes to Govt decisions they simply never learn & waste tax payers money like it was free!!!!
What we need is another ice age to wipe out the idiots at the helm!!!!:E

Wmk2

Thanks for your input Lester, but you've always been full of it anyway, :hmm:.

Can you ask your pilots please, to ensure they know how to make a radio call...

morno

Govt signed the contract, AAV has to make it work.
Pelair has some great staff at YMEN who do great work for the patients. Only problem is mgt are working their staff at a rate which is not sustainable for the next 9 1/2 years of the contract ie beyond MCP. Likely consequence is that they will Burn out or 'over torque' their staff and have to replace them, often!
That may end up being good for RFDS with a steady stream of B200 drivers with aeromed experience.

I believe the use of B350's would have severely limited the number of destinations, hence new B200's.:ok:

PS: Sounds like things in Vic have settled down to me, Rex half yearly report stated AAV contract doing well and contributing to increased profit.

- not enough pilots but all shifts are mostly being covered, so yes thats prob true.

- not from where I sit

- exactly

- true, its not everyones cup of tea, depends upon your outlook I suppose. Its because of these reasons I believe aeromed pilots deserve a fair pay.

i aint gonna happen.

The question I have is that nobody can tell me definitely how long the contract was signed for? I suspect it was for seven years with extension options too ten years.

Gee 'Lester' ya really must stop writing stuff like that, yr giving me stitches laughing so much !!!!:E
It's alright 'morno' we need some balanced input here(cough cough cough) as we can't have the truth getting in the way of a good laughable story now can we?:E

Wmk2

Ahh Confucius say "Promotions that are not measured by kpi are waste of money'. Confucius also say "man go to bed with smelly bum wakes up with smelly finger"

PELAIR have just lost their 12th pilot (including two that never got signed to line). Don't know what the average pilot staff turn over rate is but I suspect it is less than 66% every 9 months!

Rumour has it patient numbers are down 40%! :eek:

But of course it's only rumour...;)

Patient No's down 40% you say 'HH'? This can only be a good thing can it not?:-)
'LB" I don't have any mates at AAV anymore,once I left & stopped paying them to be my mates I was on the outer !:E I don't think that anyone needs to be a rocket scientist to know that PelAir are really doing a sterling job..........at NOT keeping pilots!
When the 'Rufdus' had the contract there was always (mostly) a steady stream of pilots wanting to work for them,I wonder why that is not the case with PelAir!
At the end of the day it's the people of Vic that suffer the Govt's foolish mistakes.With any luck the current Govt will go down the toilet (which looks to be the case)& not inflict their awful way of doing business again on us.

'HH' what's good' old Bob up to there in Syd? Give him my regards will ya& lets hope that ferry doesn't get lost when Bob is on board!:)

Wmk2