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Could someone please explain to me why a QF pilot should at the end of the day earn more than an equivalent pilot at another carrier? eg Air Asia / Jetstar / Tiger

I'm not taking the piss just genuinely interested.

Why does a Fedex pilot earn more than anyone else? You are what you negotiate.....Unite and stand together and it is amazing what you can achieve..Divided you will lose...

Ah yes novice. Sometimes it is not the the question that you ask that needs answering. A better question would be why is the Jetstar pilot not being paid the same as the Qantas pilot if they are doing the same job.

This should be a short but interesting thread....:8

I want to answer..but I will get banned for abuse..at such a question:ugh:

It's a silly question sorry.

It's like asking, why does an accountant at Tom's local corner accounting firm get paid $50k p/a and an accountant at Price Waterhouse Coopers gets $90k for the same job?

If you want the same wages across all companies and industries, it's called Communism and last I knew that's not what Australia is about. Keep voting for Labor and it might happen for you.

Guys....this question is obviously a wind up.

Grow up Novice.

Because they request "max speed to the field, cancel speed restrictions" more than anyone else, anywhere. Or perhaps because they're very good at shining their ice lights into everyone else's eyes at night.

Seriously though, stop the race to the bottom. Any idiot can cut wages.

Pilots are generally overpaid at the top levels, and Qantas can't sustain those salaries it's as simple as that...I'm getting off now...

What you do in your private time is your business.

Novice, (an appropriate nom de guerre for you), as busdriver007 says, you get what you negotiate. That's why QANTAS pilots are on a better deal.

You cite Air Asia. Why don't you ask your dentist why he earns more in Australia than his counterpart in Asia? Or your electrician? What's your job? I bet you earn more than your oppo in Thailand or Uganda or Venezuela.

Why do you even care?

HA, you owe me a new keyboard! :D

You obviously haven't seen AirNZ operating domestically :)

Because the Qantas pilot has been overpaid for years, and the world has moved on.

Simple... :}

Not many pilots I know of at Qantas have been overpaid. Some have been underpaid, but a call to payroll usually fixes it up next pay day.

No I wasn't after communism !

And fair point re the foreign comparison I made, they're just the last few airlines I've flown with. (so forget air asia then - qf / jetstar / virgin blue / tiger)

So I was just wondering what the QF guys (and good luck to them) bring to the bargaining table then? In other industries performance by employees can be easily assessed. A salesman for instance can negotiate a better deal on the back of his figures during the last year.

How do you do that in the airlines? In the OZ carriers at least safety seems to be a given across the board no? Do the qf pilots fly the planes more efficiently? Is it more difficult to fly the particular qantas planes? (A380) Are their working conditions harder? ie more time away / longer shifts etc?

What is the difference in moving similair aiframes from A to B ?

Thanks in advance !

“Could someone please explain to me why a QF pilot should at the end of the day earn more than an equivalent pilot at another carrier? eg Air Asia / Jetstar / Tiger”

They get what they get because they have been employed under these conditions for half a century before Tiger/VB/Jstar were even thought of.

But things will change.

- an over-inflated sense of their own importance
- an unshakeable belief that only they can fly safely
- a world view that is rooted in the '80s

Having said that, it's not just Qantas, most legacy carriers have the same disease.

Nobody can blame them for trying to cling to terms and conditions that were obsolete ten years ago, and I suppose we should feel sorry for them as they see their cosy world dissolving before their eyes.

And just in case anyone thinks there is a hint of jealousy here, there isn't. I would be the first one to welcome a return to the good old days, when pilots were respected and paid accordingly. But the reality is that those days are long gone.

Adapt and survive.

Are Qantas pilots over paid, or jetstar pilots under paid?

I certainly think a High Capacity RPT FO is worth more than the 30k the cadets will be getting.

But no, fair enough, after investing thousands of dollars (or 10 - 20 years in the military) into our training, lets all work for pittance because we love flying big jets and after all that's all that matters right.

The reality is that somebody is always willing to do such. It's probably impossible to make everybody value themselves, hence this will always happen.:ugh: