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WannaBeBiggles 11th Jan 2011 19:27

Alligator Airways Job
 

Applications are invited from pilots with the following minimum experience for our Kununurra base:

Minimum Requirements:

Australian Commercial Pilot License
Night VFR Rating
400 hours Total
Current DG Certificate with at least six months to expiry
Current Class One Medical Certificate
Desirable Experience:

Experience on Turbocharged aircraft
Previous charter experience
Please Note: If you do NOT meet the above minimum requirements please do not apply as they are a company requirement.
From reading various other threads, it sounds like there a literally dozens of pilots waiting for work up in Kunnas so thought it was interesting to see someone up there having advertise.
Do I take it not one of the people up there waiting has 400 hours? Or are people getting snagged on things like not having a NVFR or DG?

Hasselhof 11th Jan 2011 21:33

Not sure if there would be dozens up there right now in peak wet season. In two months, sure. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would look for work with a company holding a charter AOC and not have a DG certificate. If guys are getting skipped over because they haven't got one then they know exactly who to blame.

The Green Goblin 11th Jan 2011 22:08

Funny isn't it?

You need 400 hours to fly a scarecan, but can fly an scarebus with 200 :cool:

I'd say the work is very quiet right now in Kununurra, and the CP is bored looking for something to do.

There will still be the usual trip to Mecca for most this year :D

PLovett 11th Jan 2011 22:50

Hasselhof, a DG certificate can be obtained with a couple of hours work on the internet. If a company is using that as an excuse not to interview when everything else points to a suitable applicant then it speaks volumes about the company and its standards. :rolleyes:

The requirement for a DG certificate every 2 years is farcical and is nothing but another ridiculous requirement that has little value in practice. Certainly it should be required initially but every 2 years thereafter? :mad:

rmcdonal 11th Jan 2011 23:03


Hasselhof, a DG certificate can be obtained with a couple of hours work on the internet. If a company is using that as an excuse not to interview when everything else points to a suitable applicant then it speaks volumes about the company and its standards.
If a pilot doesn't make the effort to obtain the DG then it speaks volumes about the pilot.

PLovett 11th Jan 2011 23:06

rmcdonal, it is an extra expense for someone who is out of work. Besides, if a person gets the certificate when selected for a position the company then has the benefit of a full 2 years.

glekichi 11th Jan 2011 23:30

Not providing training as basic and inexpensive as a DG certificate speaks volumes about the operator, I would say.

The Green Goblin 11th Jan 2011 23:50

Geez peoples attitudes stink!

Before I went north I made sure I had three things:

DG Certificate
First Aid
Night Rating

Sadly, there are many Pilots with none of these, that thinks the world owes them a favour because they have a CPL.

A MECIR is not a substitute for a NVFR rating. The MECIR needs to be current to use it, and there are different considerations for planning purposes. All you need for the NVFR rating is a take off and landing in 6 months and a one hour cross country flight in 12. You won't be carrying punters in a single, so there is no need to satisfy the 3 take off and landings in 90 days. The rest is pretty simple to keep current on dead charter legs.

I have a NVFR rating with NIL restrictions so I can fly multi engine types on the rating. (not that I need this anymore)I would suggest the fellas pull their fingers out of their :ugh: and get on with it.

GG

glekichi 12th Jan 2011 01:53

I dunno GG one minute you're out to get people that pay for things to get ahead, the next you're supporting it.
All of the employers Ive worked for have supplied the DG certificate and renewals.

dabz 12th Jan 2011 02:03

I'm looking at getting my DGs cert and have been told from a good source doing this "Dangerous Goods By Air: Awareness" online correspondence course is sufficient.

I'm not so sure as it says "This course will not qualify you to accept, document or package dangerous goods".

A full DG course is a full 3 day course and costs 500$..

Would anybody know if the awareness correspondence is enough?

knightflyer 12th Jan 2011 02:14

DG Awareness course is all you need as a pilot, the other course is for staff at a freight receiver.

ZappBrannigan 12th Jan 2011 07:08


I'm not so sure as it says "This course will not qualify you to accept, document or package dangerous goods".
You won't be doing any of those things. Someone else will formally accept the DG and ensure it's documented and packaged properly, you merely carry it on your aircraft. There are a few key things you need to know, but they don't involve determining whether the DG is actually able to fly or not (that's the acceptance role). The online course you're looking at is fine, and is all that's required.

notaplanegeek 12th Jan 2011 07:40

dabz airsafe are fantastic, fast efficient and the reception lady was so helpfull.

The Green Goblin 12th Jan 2011 11:19


I dunno GG one minute you're out to get people that pay for things to get ahead, the next you're supporting it.
All of the employers Ive worked for have supplied the DG certificate and renewals.
Once you're employed, then yes, the company should cover it to keep you current. It would be like saying 'why should I pay for a MECIR or NVFR rating? If the company requires me to use it, they should pay for me to get one'

In terms of endorsements and the rest, then yes, the company should pay once you are an employee.

MakeItHappenCaptain 12th Jan 2011 13:55

I reckon any school that doesn't at least do your NVFR as part of the CPL is just sucking extras out of you after the event.

Clarification. The DG awareness course (I've used AVSTAR at ~$75 online) certifies that you can recognise and refuse to carry DG.
Again, why aren't schools making their students aware of this????

southernskyz 12th Jan 2011 19:36

300 to 400 hours could become a standard entry requirement for a person to be considered for a single engine driver job, with a charter operator in Northern and Western Australia.

The cadet schemes such as Rex and Jetstar have really stuffed everything up, as there's little movement in the top part of the General Aviation scale, where twin and turbine drivers use to naturally progress to the majors.

On the other side of the coin, people are continuing to get their CPL's around the country each week and month, like mushrooms popping out of the ground with no idea what to do next.

I reckon it's harder now to crack a job north than it's ever been.

Three to Five years ago, the afap site was flooded with job ads each month.

Until the US and Europe recover from their slow downs and airlines start ordering new aircraft in masses again, things in OZ aviation will just stay as they are.

Hasselhof 12th Jan 2011 20:21


I reckon it's harder now to crack a job north than it's ever been.
I'm having trouble understanding that statement when it's written in a thread directly concerning a job ad for a pilot position in the north. You've either got a short memory or don't know just how hard it has been in the past.

tarmac12 12th Jan 2011 21:17

Cant tell what they think
 
I made the trip to Kununurra last year without success. I made sure that I had a DG and that the NVFR and MECIR were current. There seemed to be no consistancy in who was hired. Some guys that got a job had a bare CPL and others had everything including an instructor rating. It appeared to be solely based on if the CP liked you or not. You could be the most qualified person in the world but if you didn't seem to fit the profile of what they were after you were not going anywhere.

Plenty of really nice people were passed over and a few very questionable ones got a job!

People on this site always tell you to get up north cause you wont get a job if you dont. That advice seems only to be given by people who actually went north and scored a gig. I dont see anyone who didn't get hired telling all hopefulls to head north straight away.

rmcdonal 12th Jan 2011 21:42


Plenty of really nice people were passed over and a few very questionable ones got a job!
I was wondering where the Qantas recruitment department went. :hmm::rolleyes:

YPJT 12th Jan 2011 23:07


It appeared to be solely based on if the CP liked you or not.
Have heard that on several occasions. :D


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