CAO 48 Industry Exempton
 

Are there any airline operators in Australia using these FTDL's and whom record the actual Flight Deck Duty times for each sector, particularly on non-augmented operations?

On a non augmented crew flight (ie 2) your flight deck duty time would be block time as you would not be out of there unless you were going to the toilet or stretching your legs

What about the time you are on duty, on the flight deck, on the blocks carrying out pre-flight and post-flight duties? Does that not count?

If you ask a pilot, YES. If you ask management, no. :uhoh:

In Australia CASA's interpretation is any activity that is associated with work is duty time and they have been known to crack down on certain operators who flaunt these laws.

Flight deck duty time is not used in Australia....dunno why I didn't say that the first time......:ugh:

Sorry NN, not correct. My company operates under the CAO General exemption and Flight Deck Duty (FDD) is certainly there, and used. Currently on non-augmented flights we don't approach the FDD limits. On augmented flights with up to 16+ hour duty limits each pilot has around a 10 hour (plus/minus a bit depending on sign on times, number of sectors etc.) flight deck limit.

We don't log the times as such but split the cockpit time amongst the crew to ensure that the FDD is not broken. Have heard though that there are possibly Oz airlines that do keep a log and I guess that is what WITWIW is asking.

Nev, it may not be in CAO 48 but the following definition is lifted from the CASA 'Standard Exemption' :
2.8 Flight Deck Duty: Is the total time a flight crewmember is on duty on the flight deck in a flight duty period.

On single pilot or two crew operations it would be simple because it is the entire duration of the flight, including pre-flight and post-flight duties in the cockpit; however its real application is for augmented crew operations where the third pilot may or may not be on the flight deck for takeoff and landing, but is rotated through a bunk or rest seat.

It is not in CAO 48 because it is an "Exemption" against CAO 48.

Thanks for the replies but they don't actually answer my question.

Is it correct, then, that no Oz airline operators log/record the actual Flight Deck Duty time if operating under the industry exemption to CAO 48?

I know of one non-RPT operator of Airbus gear that operates to the exemption that records flight deck duty for Augmented Crew.