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OZBUSDRIVER 31st Jul 2010 22:09

While we have some Mil online...wrt fuel state on these exercises, how many minutes endurance left when these guys recover to the field?

RAAFASA 31st Jul 2010 22:57

Re: endurance - depends on acft type and the mission requirements, but, often, not a lot! Generally they'll call min/emerg fuel with APP, but, sometimes they'll call it while they're still in the exercise area (especially if APP have told them to stay there/clearance not yet available - due to trying to get you lot on the ground first!)

You'd have to ask a pilot for the specifics (and they probably wouldn't be allowed to tell you anyway).:)

Skynews 31st Jul 2010 23:03

More important to me, do the ATCers know what fuel we are arriving with?

Of course that varies from aircraft to aircraft company to company but do they know what the minimum iswe have to carry and some do?

OZBUSDRIVER 1st Aug 2010 00:59

Thought as much...a little leeway and some understanding from the civ side :ok:

Skynews 1st Aug 2010 01:02

Yep, just like we get from "them"!

Dogimed 6th Aug 2010 00:32

:}

According to Air Commodore Mel Hupfeld, Commander Air Combat Group, there were no losers.

"Pitch Black is a very complex high end training exercise which has provided some very interesting and extraordinarily challenging air combat opportunities for all of the crews.
Pigs musta been on the winning side...

:ok::ok::ok:

Just read the bottom..

The Red Force comprised RAAF F/A-18 Hornets and Hawks, while the Blue Force involved Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) and Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) F-16 Fighting Falcons; and RAAF Hornets and F-111s. They were supported by a Royal New Zealand Air Force C-130, an RSAF E2-C Hawkeye Airborne Warning and Control aircraft and an RSAF KC135 tanker.



Oh, and just for the record - Blue Force won.

AussieNick 6th Aug 2010 01:34

watched the pigs take off lastnight while waiting on Bravo 2. my god they are loud close up :ok:

Skynews 13th Aug 2010 23:53

Claret,
I've been monitoring the ATSB site re your near miss. Nothing has been posted as yet. I assume you submitted one?

I'm interested in following the outcome.

Capt Claret 14th Aug 2010 03:42

Skynews, you assume correctly. :}

Skynews 14th Aug 2010 04:08

Can you let us know with a link when you see it on the ATSB.
Please

morno 14th Aug 2010 07:21

Skynews,
Not everything appears on the ATSB weekly summary. I put in a report last year sometime, and it never showed up on the summary.

Why are you so keen?

morno

Skynews 14th Aug 2010 08:18

Is it a problem for you that I am interested?

Ixixly 14th Aug 2010 14:35

Hey Skynews, is it a problem for you that Morno has an interest in your interest of Cpt Claret?

sleeve of wizard 14th Aug 2010 14:36

Capt Claret, if the fast jets were so close why did you not get an RA?as you previously mentioned you got a TA.
A TA is a prediction another aircraft will enter the conflict airspace in 25 to 45seconds. TAs assist the flight crew in establishing visual contact with the other aircraft.
An RA is a prediction that another airplane will enter the TCAS conflict airspace within approximately 20 to 30 seconds.

Capt Claret 14th Aug 2010 22:09

Sleeve, I can't answer that. We did get a TA and I assume there was no RA because the TCAS was able to determine that there was sufficient lateral separation to avoid a collision.

It was the TA that brought their proximity to our attention in the midst of the go around.

flighthappens 14th Dec 2010 20:01

did anything come from Clarets complaint to ATSB


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