You would think a bit of action rather than just knowing and watching would be in order.

AOW,

I think you'll agree that there is a big difference between "knowing something" and "knowing something, having evidence and credible witnesses to collaborate the evidence".

The only reason some feel they can get away with this behaviour is due to witnesses not presenting themselves.

There are trustworthy FOI's within CASA FNQ, one that will not burn your future employment prospects ( infact quite to the contrary ).

Couple of points from previous comments.
1. Al's Caravans operate to a lower 'Normal Condition' ITT temp limit. Much lower than the 'book' limit.
2.Increasing the voltage during a external power start only benefits the engine by getting the engine past self sustaining RPM faster thereby reducing the peak temperature.
3. BackdoorBandit - Your opinion of The Caravan Operation to which Al is involved in is clearly limited. Maybe your too young or maybe have a bone to pick however only a few operators have actaully invested in Capital to bring these much newer aircraft into skydiving operations. This has result in the whole operation being conducted with a lot more professionalism from engineering through to flight operations. Maybe get the movie Fandango, Now that is what skydiving used to be. Thanks to Al and a few other operators it's a whole different scene.
4. Home grown IFR approaches. Simple, no one is forcing anyone to use them. If you use them it's illegal in IMC and you better know what your doing. It's up to the pilot not the aeroplane owner to determine what risks they are willing to take. I know Al does not want his plane driven into the side of a hill and Im sure all the people that come through the operation are respected for saying no if they are not comfortable with the conditions.

There are a lot of allegations being thrown around in this thread. I hope everyone has the required evidence to back them up.

excellr8
 

Lets just say, without giving away too much, that I have first hand knowledge of Al's pseudo professional outfit, and I know what makes the man tick.
No point in making any more derogatory statements.

Are you serious? Lets just say that if you refuse to take that van up too many times - your job is on the line. To a low hour pilot (i.e. inexperienced, doesn't know any better) that is as good as a gun to the head.

I cant believe it!
 

A tip? Have your CIR before you work for him cause you WILL use it.
Home grown IFR approaches. Simple, no one is forcing anyone to use them.
Big Al has his own McRnav's into Tully he's making the kids fly.

Wow....This is absolutely amazing.
I remember a story once....you may have heard of it too.
There was this navajo driver who was known to push limits. Such as flying in icing conditions in an aircraft not fitted for it. Flew VFR plans when in known IMC. Made up his own IFR approaches. Flew in snow storms. Flew his own RNAV which followed a highway to below minimas which his company knew he did.
And do you know the ending of this story.....You betcha...he face planted on the side of a mountain. But here is the kicker, he killed two passengers as well.
I bet you have all have heard of this story before.
And yet this **** still goes on.:ugh:
I can see why when there are still the opinions above.:ugh:

UMV was being leased by Skydive Cairns, Al still owns it.

And as for Al's Approaches into Tully, that is just not true!

Re PT6 failures, this one let go on me one sunny day in the North Sea :hmm:

http://www.eacott.com.au/gallery/d/2...ne+failure.jpg

Focuses the mind for moment or two ;)

Let's all just be a little careful about flinging accusations, as XX said, unless you have hard proof (or the paper copy of the RNAV) then you could be in deep water pretty quick. Those of us that have worked for the outfit know what we have seen and heard, just leave it at that eh?

j3

Firstly Owen I wasnt accusing you of anything. Read my post better.

Now just to get things straight, because the aircraft is in the IFR category and has a cloud jumping manual you can create your own approach and fly it whenever you like? Is that what you are saying?

I NEVER said that you flew homemade RNAV approaches. The statement that you made was that you should have a CIR because you will use it. Correct me if I am wrong but all parachuting ops are VFR ops and a cloud jumping manual does not allow you to fly into IMC, it only lets parachutists jump through cloud.

Just so this doesnt go on forever, I do not agree with creating your own approach into an aerodrome. We can agree to disagree. As J3 said a lot of people know a lot of things.

... ah the legendary 'Jedi Approach'

Hopefully the kids have finished fighting now.

I wonder if any one has any accurate information on why this engine failed.

nice example av8trflying, but did you realise that the aircraft you speak of had an engine failure and the approach may have had nothing to do with the crash? This was conveniently ignored by investigators / regulators as part of the new ATSB pilot "profiling" where everthing you have ever done wrong in your career (fact or fiction) comes back to haunt you in the final ATSB report.

Not correct.

ATSB Report Here Page 22: Damage to the engines and propellers was consistent with both engines delivering power at the time of impact.

Owen

Well that was my point. There are no published approaches for Tully. You could go to Innisfail 20nm away to get down, but i dont know how happy the boss would be on your fuel burn.

VH-XXX

I have read the debate regarding the accident in question and I have read both reports. I have my own opinion.

My overall point is the dangers in flying your own approaches and not sticking by the rules will one day bite you in the ass.

Sorry but you are incorrect (correct in that you found this reference, however this has been proven as incorrect - the ATSB aren't perfect you know), hence my point about the ATSB (fact or fiction). This was done to death in another thread and independant engineers found that the engine was not running. I wonder what came of the court case on that.


I often wonder how you would feel if you were doing the right thing and crashed, but because others in your company often do the wrong thing (home-made approaches) or someone said that you sometimes do the wrong thing and you crash, then everyone points the finger at you?

Once upon a time civil IFR parachute drops were allowed until a civil B25 jump ship dropped 18 skydivers over Lake Erie in the USA and most of them drowned

OK, I shall ask again, what was the cause of the stoppage,, CTor PT or Gear box problems,,, someone should know by now ?????

Someome should know something by now, or is it being kept quiet ?????

Why do you need to know so bad... wait for the report

or

why don't you call Al?

Call Al 'eh,,, sorry, I want the truth, or something closer to it.

well pprune is not really much help then is it?

ATSB report
 

VH-XXX When you describe an independent engineering inspection of the engines you are of course talking about an engineer who was hired by the operator to do the inspections, as opposed to the ATSB who are answerable to no one. I think you better look up the term independent in the dictionary because I think you have the word confused with purchased.

Thanks BS, I always take my advice from he who has only 2 posts. Your initials equal your on-line credibility.

You must regard your "post count" status quite highly VH-XXX. Not the first time I have read such a comment from you towards someone with a low number of posts either. Strange... :confused:

XXX - Have to agree, you post too much.

That's because people who like to stir up trouble always seem to go to the effort of registering a new username specifically for the purpose so we don't know who they are and can't link them to their previous posts, then we never hear from them again once the thread dies down.

A good example of this would be a recent thread started about "which flying school should I go to to learn to fly in city X" which I was later told was just bait to see what people will say about it, thus wasting the precious time of those that care enough to respond.

A high post count is no indication of credibility on here, however those with <5 or whatever posting definitively on situations/issues they know nothing about nor the people involved does arouse the suspicions of others.

hmmm well said. Fair enough.

Ah, its all about post count. I have heaps of posts, and I'm a Jedi, so therefore I am a guru. :E
Wally. I'm not going to bite.......... you know I wanna though. :}
GG. same goes for you... and I still hate the screaming Garret. ;)

......that's okay 'Wiz' feel free to 'bite', getting boring round here anyway, Mods must be asleep at the helm:}
I've been accused by the Mods in the past for posting too many times, you can't win when they hold the big stick!:}


Wmk2:)

Sorry to continue the thread drift - but it doesnt seem to be going anywhere anyway............


Vh-XXX - I agree with what Blinkensloppen said - and I've a few more posts that him/her - and some direct knowkledge of the matter.

Which court case - hull or liablility? In any event both were settled "out of court"....FYI.

Well the pilot concerned and his passengers are more likely to be doing the "haunting" now arent they?????

Di :yuk:

Understood D, but it comes down to professional integrity. Opinions can be bought, but not from just anyone. I'll let this one rest because it's probably best not to name names in this instance without hard facts and it's not relevant to the pt6 thread anyway.

C'mon wiz, you don't see to many garretts shutting down do you? :ok:

They may be noisy, but they certainly are reliable!

I wish there was one that would shut down - Peter.

GG saidYou be kidding right? :}

seen more than a few that wouldnt start. gotta love that full auto start system that eats itself and the chipset on a regular basis. :)
Probably the quietest thing about them............ until the pilot starts shouting.

Wiz

You telling me that there is a 'chipset' controlling manual engaging of speed switches as well?

j3

Never had an SRL computer let go on me yet. Garretts like to have a bit of spare power in the battery's to kick them over (not unlike any other turbine I might add)

Hot starts, cold starts, quick turn arounds never had or seen a problem :cool:

NWS - thats a different story :ugh:

331's biggest drama is on start, get that prestart temp down and give it just enough juice and they're fine. :ok: Only problems overall that I've seen was gens, NTS etc. Operationally the engines just keep going.

Hasn't any body heard of Garrets "Blowing up", wearing prematurely, gearbox's grenading?