GADRVR,

You really are pathetic. What type one was driving fifty years ago gives no insight into what one has achieved in the interim.

For your info there are still people holding down jobs driving aeroplanes well into their sixties, and in all that time never ran the tanks dry.

PLEASE gents & ladies, can we stop the personal attacks. We're professionals & on public display. If you really want to 'fight' use private messaging.
Cheers All

Speculation is one thing - after all this is a rumour network.
However this has degenerated into a personal slanging match by some of those whom should know better.
Mods - do that voodoo that you do, and perhaps we'll resurrect this when the ATSB have had their say.

GADRIVR

Playing the man is an indication that you cannot play the ball. You are starting to look really foolish now.

Andu, that is an interesting proposition in a philosophical context, but I believe it is inappropriate and misplaced in an investigation into an accident or occurrence. It would imply that once you have identified A SINGLE PLAUSIBLE causation, the job is done and you can move on. This however, is a methodology completely contrary to what is required by an accident investigator, as he need to examine EVERY POSSIBLE scenario, exclude them after they are found IMPLAUSIBLE and move on narrowing it down to the most plausible explanation(s).

I don't really want to be a party-pooper and recognize the desire to speculate on why this happened. I have only tried to lower certain self-pronounced experts in their eagerness to show us all how clever they are in using their vast intellect
to explain to us dumb-arses who prefer to wait until the facts are on the table. This whole discussion is leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth and a sense of embarrassment on behalf of members of my profession, so I shall remove myself from PPRUNE for another few years and leave the sand box to you kids (I am not including you Andu in this assessment) - young and old.
See ya'll later.

QSK.

No, I don't recall that the Unicom fellow is an accredited Met observer, but, nor does he need to be as there is a fully staffed Met office on the airfield at NLK.

When I operated there on a regular and reasonably recent basis, the information provided by Unicom when the weather turned to crap was of a very high standard and of great use in making decisions. In these circumstances it was not uncommon for NLK to deploy observers onto each threshold to give immediate and accurate appraisals of the actual weather to support that info being given via Unicom from the Met office which, incidentally, has a radar facility to to facilitate their information. I would be extremely surprised if it was any different last Wednesday evening.

In the case of NLK, Unicom is manned for every arrival so, whilst your suggestions as to a safety initiative are appropriate, they nevertheless occur anyway on NLK irrespective of any legislative requirement etc.

prospector, GADRIVR admits to 2100, MECIR, 100 ME, cabin class twin time and been in the business for not quite 5 years. Tut, tut, you should know better than argue with one of your betters who fields such vast experience. := You know he did say "Leave the postulating in a public forum to the real experts. You know, people who do this day in and day out on a professional basis." I'll interpret for you (free service), he means him.

Whats your beverage prospector, my buy. :ok:

Mods, I think Captain Sand Dune has the right idea, lock it.

puerile - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

Puerile \Pu"er*ile\, a. [L. puerilis, fr. puer a child, a boy:
cf. F. pu['e]ril.]
Boyish; childish; trifling; silly.
[1913 Webster]

Ppruners have been notorious through generations for
their puerile affectation of accidents, incidents and occurances --De Troppo.
[1913 Webster]

Syn: Youthful; boyish; juvenile; childish; trifling; weak.
See Youthful.
[1913 Webster]



puerile - WordNet (r) 2.1 (2005) :

puerile
adj 1: of or characteristic of a child; "puerile breathing"
2: displaying or suggesting a lack of maturity; "adolescent
insecurity"; "jejune responses to our problems"; "their
behavior was juvenile"; "puerile jokes" [syn: adolescent,
jejune, juvenile, puerile]

puerile - Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 :

31 Moby Thesaurus words for "puerile":
asinine, babish, babyish, beardless, boyish, boylike, calflike,
childish, childlike, coltish, foolish, girlish, girllike, immature,
inconsequential, infantile, infantine, insignificant,
irresponsible, juvenile, kiddish, maiden, maidenly, puplike,
puppyish, puppylike, ridiculous, shallow, silly, sophomoric,
trivial

It's funny you know. I talked to a few of the pilots I am close to about this site. They laughed as well as a few other things I can't say. This thread has sunk further than a certain little jet we all know. Absolute gold. What little industry respect this place has is lost with each new post. Gold

Er...acementhead, I did not intend to infer plagerism at all, rather help you couch the sentence in a way that you need not use aerobatterededed

Btw, ZK- BCO I think may have ended its days stuck in a gorse hedge in Ohaupo?
Ran out of petrol on the ferry home after an aerobatic session in Te Kuiti Shearer type chap at the controls but unhurt, Graham Swanson? Subsequently killed in a Rural C180. Prospector would possibly remember
Got PA18-90 BTQ and BQS in me book, who owned the PA18-150's?

Idiots:ugh: