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james ozzie 28th Oct 2009 18:53

Motorcycle stunt
 
The recent stunt of a modern day Knievel jumping a hovering helicopter refers. Would this be considered legal for the pilot flying? Or does it only become a problem if there is a pink shower?

Dangly Bits 28th Oct 2009 21:19

I see a court date in his future! This guy is in some serious legal trouble indeed. I find it hard to believe that CASA would give any sort of approval for this to happen without a massive risk assessment. That risk assessment would not have allowed the camerman to be as close as he was in the photo's I saw yesterday.
Better get a lawyer Son, better get a real good one.....:=

Aussie 28th Oct 2009 21:31

Missed it, they didnt play it here in EU. Anyone got a link ????

tmpffisch 28th Oct 2009 21:47

Video - news.com.au

remoak 28th Oct 2009 23:42


I find it hard to believe that CASA would give any sort of approval for this to happen without a massive risk assessment.
Why? It's a private op, why would they need a risk assessment?

The pilot is a grown-up and understands the risks.
The rider is a grown-up and also understands the risks.

Life, believe it or not, involves risk. Let these guys have their fun and make their own assessments of the danger. The less interference from CASA the better.

Flak jacket on... :}

Pappa Smurf 28th Oct 2009 23:52

Bikes have been jumping choppers for years.This was the first backflip over one.
Momentum leaving the ramp will clear the chopper with ease.
Nothing dangerous at all unless he cocks up his landing on the ramp which is well clear of the chopper anyway.

Disco Stu 28th Oct 2009 23:53

I didn't see any questionable flying from the helo. It was after all simply hovering.:ok:

As for the motorcyclist, let's just say I wouldn't do such a thing.:ugh:

Whilst I didn't see anything that should or could require CASA's involvement, I don't profess to understand that particular organisation. :confused:That's not to say some clever dick in CASA won't try to make a big deal (and a name for themselves) out of this.:=

Disco Stu

tmpffisch 29th Oct 2009 00:27

It's more an illusion of risk more than anything else. The rider would have done that sized jump a million times, and simply introduced the heli to the equation to make it look risky.

wheatbix 29th Oct 2009 00:58

As a commercial operation, both the company and pilot that flew the machine are highly experienced in unique operations such as this one. Apart from having CASA's approval, there were also several test runs.

Before you start criticising, you should at least know the details of the operation.

BPH63 29th Oct 2009 01:08

I reckon some regulator should look into the dangerous use of this public transport vehicle - well overdue:ugh: WayOut Stunts Ltd - Promoting, managing and Orgainsing Stunts

DH 200' 29th Oct 2009 04:59

The moto rider knows the risks more than anyone. Take a look at Travis skydiving without a parachute.
Although...

5.1.2. A person or persons making a parachute descent shall wear an approved harness with at least two parachutes. Components of this equipment must have been manufactured to the standards required by CAO 103.18
I'm sure the states have a similar requirement too. :E

Socket 29th Oct 2009 06:12

Anyone from Darwhine might recognise the big fella in the blue shirt towards the end of the clip.

Orion Delta 29th Oct 2009 07:13

are you nuts?

Ultralights 29th Oct 2009 07:31


Quote:
5.1.2. A person or persons making a parachute descent shall wear an approved harness with at least two parachutes. Components of this equipment must have been manufactured to the standards required by CAO 103.18
I'm sure the states have a similar requirement too.
are you making a "parachute" jump if you arn't wearing a parachute?

tmpffisch 29th Oct 2009 10:01


An engine failure past v1, up the ramp could have made for a messy show.
He'd already have the inertia to complete the jump, and if not he'd just steer to the left or right and aim for clear ground. Or am I wrong?

remoak 29th Oct 2009 10:23

C'mon guys, it's Travis Pastrana. He'd just do a quick heelclicker followed by an inverted superman, ditch the bike and backflip onto the other ramp...

the air up there 29th Oct 2009 10:44

hey socket, :ok:, well spotted. Any idea what his replacment is like?

Dangly Bits 29th Oct 2009 10:53

"He'd already have the inertia to complete the jump"

Not if his forks had a failure on the up slope, or the chain broke and caught in the spokes, or an engine failure causing a compression lock, or a handle bar failure, or...... The list is extensive. I certainly would not have had that cameraman anywhere near where debris could have hit him had something gone wrong.

I wonder how far a piece of main or tail rotor could fly if the helicopter had drifted the couple of metres backwards into the landing ramp?

Don't get me wrong, it was an impressive stunt, however I would love to see the risk assessment.

Dangly.

aileron_69 29th Oct 2009 13:22

You're all getting waaaaaaaaaaay too old!! Stop being such spoil sports!! Alternatively, im sure CASA would love to give you all jobs as the "fun police"

Runaway Gun 29th Oct 2009 15:42

Can someone tell me exactly what a risk assessment is anyway?
Or what the point behind one is?

The risks seem fairly obvious.... Honest question.


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