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Bates106 23rd Jul 2009 14:39

Pilot Navigation
 
Do any of ya know what is involved in pilot navigation exercise in the Private pilots licence? What should you study? Any tips on Navigation?

MakeItHappenCaptain 23rd Jul 2009 14:55

Hot tip: Listen to your instructor. Learn the rules.

There are that many different ways of teaching nav you will just get confused by asking everyone's methods in a forum like this.

The principle of navigation is if you fly for a set time and speed in a set direction you will end up in a certain place.

PyroTek 23rd Jul 2009 15:10

Situational Awareness! "Where am I? - in relation to what?"

:ok:Pyro

rioncentu 23rd Jul 2009 20:07

Don't get lost on your PPL test like I, err um, A friend of mine did.

He did manage to pass the "lost procedure" that day though.

Maintain heading !!!

drunkensailor 23rd Jul 2009 21:04

I didn't know you had completed your PPL pyro.

ForkTailedDrKiller 23rd Jul 2009 21:07

In its most basic form the key to visual navigation, IMHO, is:

1) the ability to fly a consistent heading/track
2) speed/distance/time to next check-point/destination
3) good map reading skills - look at the big picture
4) 10 nm/time checks along your track
5) 1:60 as required
6) know where you are at all times!

It still fascinates me how we used to find a spot in the middle of nowhere using the above!

Dr :8

tmpffisch 23rd Jul 2009 21:17

I take it that you've just begun, or about to start your PPL nav training.

Just read through your PPL study book, whether it be the Bob Tait one, or the 7 ATC PPL/CPL books. Those explain the theory required sufficiently.

In terms of advice, these threads should contain everything you need:

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...-visually.html

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...does-work.html

PPL navigation is pretty straight forward, you'll do fine. Any hassles or queries please ask, but the above threads are quite handy.

Ultralights 24th Jul 2009 00:15

the biggest thing i find with students, NOT doing, is Looking at the big picture, the coast is behind you, mountains in front, so you should be on a westerly heading... etc etc oh and try not to let your heading drift when your head is down doing calculations etc if the aircraft is trimmed correctly, it wil fly straight, some students will do 90eg turns while looking at maps or doing fuel calcs, then continue straight ahead on the new(incorrect) heading.

UnderneathTheRadar 24th Jul 2009 00:29

Pilot Navigation
 
I thought pilot navigation was not getting lost on the way to the airport, making sure you find the right plane and not getting separated from it during the flight....

Aicraft navigation, now that's a whole different story......

Captain Sand Dune 24th Jul 2009 01:15

I thought no civvy aircraft dared venture outside the circuit area without a serviceable GPS.:}

Ultralights 24th Jul 2009 03:58

the aircraft will, its just that some (most) of the pilots wont!

PyroTek 24th Jul 2009 04:02


...Looking at the big picture, the coast is behind you, mountains in front, so you should be on a westerly heading...
What if you happen to be flying in WA? :E


I didn't know you had completed your PPL pyro.
Yep.:ok:


:ok:Pyro

Ultralights 24th Jul 2009 04:18

everything backwards over there! go east! :}

j3pipercub 24th Jul 2009 04:31

"I thought no civvy aircraft dared venture outside the circuit area without a serviceable GPS"

Maybe, but at least we don't need flight suits to do circuits in glorfied airtourers or need the tower to remind us to check our gear is down :)

j3

maverick22 24th Jul 2009 05:27

The 5 P's: Prior Preparation Prevents P%ss-Poor Performance. (Maybe that's 6 P's then).

Remember a well prepared flight plan always helps. Make sure wind drift has been applied correctly, fuel figures added up correctly etc. (double check) Make sure you have a watch with the correct time set. The amount of times I had students show up without a watch on their Navs :ugh:

Also plan your arrival at the other end. Brief yourself well in advance on how you're going to join the circuit etc. Its one thing finding your way to the destination, but it another to correctly join the circuit (especially if there are right hand circuits or noise abatement procedures).

So basically its a matter of being prepared, staying well ahead of the aircraft and as Ultralights said, not losing sight of the big picture:ok:

It all comes with practise

rifdas 24th Jul 2009 05:31

Listen to the Dr.

Just be carefull not to set your TAS as your track. Seem's simple but I was checking a pilot to line on a King Air and he had 6000 + hours, grade 1 M/E instructor rating and he set the TAS and I did the same on my PPL flight test. I was lucky setting 120 instead of 125. It was a very short sector and I was within the tracking limits. I only realised the error when I set the next track!!. Do some "back seat" Nav's with other students if possible. Take your WAC charts and a copy of the flight plan. You can do a NAV and the other student "back seats" yours, well that happened in my day!!

Best of Luck

Rifdas

mattyj 24th Jul 2009 05:36


if the aircraft is trimmed correctly, it wil fly straight,
Wow you obviously didn't do cross countries in a piper tomahawk!

(or a c150 for that matter)

Aerozepplin 24th Jul 2009 08:54

Indeed. Flying for three hours holding half a ball of rudder to keep straight gets annoying after a while. Cherokees with their fancy rudder trim are fantastic once you've done that a couple times.

training wheels 24th Jul 2009 09:06

One of the important lessons to learn when navigating is to check that your DG is aligned with compass. Check this every now and again (at 10 minute intervals, at least ..it only takes a second to check), whether flying VFR or IFR.

NOSIGN 24th Jul 2009 13:14

Bates106,

I remember that the most stand-out Nav issue that I had during my PPL was that I wanted to account for every road, building and power line on the map :8. I had drawn out my trackline on the WAC chart and during flight i'd expect to see outside my window what was meant to be below me :cool:.

My advice summmarised (and my instructors at the time): "don't sweat the small stuff".

If you miss an intersection, powerline, lake, structure here or there, don't let it take away from your confidence. Aim for the next one and rely on your calculations/ estimates :ok:.

Once you have it, keep using it from time to time when you have an opportunity. When time or $ isn't the immediate concern, or when feeling rusty, plan a VFR flight using a map only. Re-visit basic principles and either let your ego be crushed :ouch: or hightened :cool: by knowing that you can/ can't nav by relating ground features to your flightpath.

Keep flying,


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