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1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-44 20th Jun 2009 13:55

Is the safety margin reduced for RPT passengers by Industry cost cutting?
 
Does the revolving door of new wave managers in RPT carriers in Australia increase or decrease the travelling publics trust in the airline industry?

My contention is that - It is the little things that go first, things on the edge of sight, the fat or cushion in the system that allowed The industry to have it's close shaves and keep it's untarnished record.

From my viewpoint, this fat in the system is being trimmed to the point where there is now - no longer the big margin for error.

Pilots holding defects all day until the aircraft stops for the night, Engineers letting things slide until the nightshift, Attendants undertrained and not mature enough to take the responsability of their role, Maintenance schedulers under the pump.

What is the solution?

Will it take a massive loss of life to shock you guys into reality?

NAMD 20th Jun 2009 14:08

I almost find that insulting to my professionalism.

I don't "let things slide" to nightshift. I will defer items that can be deferred, and sit the thing on the concrete for the things that can't. Always have, always will. I can safely say I answer that for my colleagues as well.

I've seen managers come, I've seen them go. The only thing that changes is the name on the door. They don't make decisions for me.


Another first post wonder. That enough for the school project?



IBTL (In Before The Lock)

FGD135 20th Jun 2009 14:49


Is the safety margin reduced for RPT passengers by Industry cost cutting?
Not necessarily.

ferris 20th Jun 2009 14:50

Err, 13 plus 21 is 34.

Question similarly posed under another name. Journo? (certainly not a mathematician).

divingduck 20th Jun 2009 23:04

ferris beat me to it...Fibonacci sequence it is not.

3 Holer 20th Jun 2009 23:48

Must be a slow news day. Just another journo having a sniff around if you ask me!

dude65 21st Jun 2009 02:42

Was wondering where the 44 came from myself :ugh:

Grogbog 21st Jun 2009 06:31

Maybe 34 was the last number in that sequence Mr Fibonacci....

As to your claim/question: No. Pilots and Engineers all do their job as they are required to do so by law, regardless of penny pinching and changes in management.

No Pilot or Engineer will operate or sign off a machine that is not safe as we aren't in the business of killing ourselves or the passengers. Whether the Pilot or Engineer is paid $40k or $400k the philosophy is similar... survival. Nobody wants to kill themselves, others, or worse....end up in front of a lawyer trying to keep out of gaol.

Sure, you can carry minor defects for weeks BUT.... nobody operates a machine that is unsafe or dangerous for the days flying.

Arnold E 21st Jun 2009 06:43

Err, care to read the post about the 11000 plus hour ATPL that crashed an unairworthy Stearman?:eek:

Aerodynamisist 21st Jun 2009 08:57

If your looking for a story have a read of this thread..


http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ing-dimap.html


As for your question "Does the revolving door of new wave managers in RPT carriers in Australia increase or decrease the traveling publics trust in the airline industry?" new wave managers and other under performing safety buzz word sprouting management types don't last long in aviation. This is a serious business conducted by serious people.

harrowing 21st Jun 2009 15:23

Maybe 34 plus two high fives makes 44? :ok:


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