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rjtjrt 28th Mar 2009 23:31

Which is the Most Challenging NDB Approach>
 
The OLD Bendigo NDB approach in a brisk south west wind was for me.

The Truckie 28th Mar 2009 23:35

Cowra NDB. The holding pattern on the wrong side then a procedure turn. Lots of work in crappy weather. Not sure if it has been changed now.

greybeard 28th Mar 2009 23:52

The old, old Tennant creek, 2 proceedure turns in the holding pattern and one in the letdown

:ugh:

ForkTailedDrKiller 28th Mar 2009 23:55

The next one I have to fly!

Dr :8

airman1 28th Mar 2009 23:56

Cowra NDB is high work load in the soup I will second that! Bathurst NDB is the best for renewals 3 mins outbound (from memory) plenty of time to get it all sorted and to top it off pretty much RWY aligned. I have heard pilots speak of NDB approaches around TAS that are pretty hairy on a good day:eek::eek:
Going to miss the days of an NDB approaches but an RNAV is just as good as an ILS and is much better for the air switch so operators love it!:ok:

RadioSaigon 29th Mar 2009 00:12

The old NZMO (Manapouri) NDB approach used to renowned as one of the toughest... not sure if it's still the same as it was way-back-when... many years since I've flown it -or even thought about it!

pa60ops 29th Mar 2009 00:37

Actually, I reckon any approach you have to circle off the end of!!! Thank goodness for runway aligned procedures I say....:ok:

Mach E Avelli 29th Mar 2009 00:41

My favourite is the Alice Springs NDB (in the old days it was called a twin locater, I think) to circle rwy 30. In a Cat C aeroplane with one serviceable ADF. A few traps for the unwary.

j3pipercub 29th Mar 2009 02:03

you beat me to it Dr.

j3

bushy 29th Mar 2009 02:24

Built in errors!!!
 
Alice Springs had an approach which I think was called a"twin NDB" approach for a short time.
The chart showed it as a straight line approach using two locators and the NDB. The only one in Australia using three aids.
The problem was that the two locators were aligned with the runway, and the NDB was not. So we actually had a bent approach which was shown as straight. There was a built in 4 degree error.
This approach was almost unflyable within normal tolerances, and was quickly changed after a westwind freighter had a CFIT one night, killing three pilots.

S.E.A.L.11 29th Mar 2009 03:09

RadioSaigon the approach hasnt changed much at Manapouri, here is the link:
http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZMO_31.1_44.1.pdf

Id say you would get dizzy on this approach if you had to go missed. :\ Can you imagine this in a low performance aircraft! :ooh:

Here is a Twin NDB/DME approach for Dunedin, which actually uses three NDB's if you include the missed approach...

http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZDN_44.1_44.2.pdf

RadioSaigon 29th Mar 2009 03:58

hehe yup S.E.A.L.11 that's it orright! :} She's a purler!

Yeah have had the dubious pleasure of shooting the BE Twin NDB/DME into NZDN many times. Don't miss it at all, strangely, especially in a howling NW with a 4,000' FZL!

W00kiee 29th Mar 2009 09:55

VLI 11 VOR DME NDB.

Yes you use all of them if you fly the full shebang. Out bound on a VOR radial DME arc around to a Inbound NDB bearing to bring you in on a base.

Peter Fanelli 29th Mar 2009 09:56

The old ADL 05 with only one ADF

AussieNick 29th Mar 2009 10:13

the one you do on your initial issue flight test


oh crap, thats me tomorrow :uhoh:

Capn Bloggs 29th Mar 2009 10:47


Which is the Most Challenging NDB Approach
The next one I have to do that's not in the database...

Konev 29th Mar 2009 11:01

dunedin NDBs have a great habbit of wandering everywhere. beleive NZs strong gust was recorded at swampy as well, dont quote me on it though.

RadioSaigon 29th Mar 2009 11:09


Originally Posted by Konev
...dunedin NDBs have a great habbit of wandering everywhere...

hmmmm... seems to me that ADF's generally have a habit of pointing at every stray electron in the sky!!! The NDB's however are most likely to be found where you left them...

No argument from me re SW though. That place is fierce.

Tiger 77 29th Mar 2009 13:10

The Perth NDB the day after it was de-commissioned. Had us a bit confused for a while, thought it was just my flying skills!

Tiger

yowieII 29th Mar 2009 14:02

AYE gets a bit bendy with the dunes, the ASP twin LOC/NDB was a horses arse with two ADF's! Still made us do it the sim after it was canned:confused:


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