The tender date being pushed back IS unfair to those who had their submissions in on time - no question. But the NT Government will continue to just make it up as they go along, including setting deadlines, contract specifications, etc. and when the time comes they will shift the goalposts, if required, to suit themselves - without hesitation... :yuk:

Seeing this happen does not surprise me in the slightest. At least it's not an out and out lie, such as they have been peddling to the nurses...

How are your "expressions of interest" coming along Careflight? Will an extra two weeks be enough for you to "field a team" for the game in January? :D

CR.

PS What are the chances that similar to the tender closing date being revised, the interim contract finishing date (Dec 31st) will be extended in November?!

Central alone have 5 new ones coming before the end of this year.

Would it really be profitable to ramp up a suitable fleet, hangar, maintenance, nurses, admin, management, pilots etc to satisfy a 6 months INTERIM contract in the NT........

Either these guys have a near guarantee on the current tender or that is one hell of 6 month contract....!!

the 6 month Interim contract is a double edged sword in itself.

It gives Careflight the opportunity to show the NT Govt their capability (not just on paper), but it also gives them 6 months to balls something up and put a bad taste in their mouth.

So nothing is ever a done deal until it's a done deal.

Fair enough...

but who is the recognized leader of Aus (SE and ME) aeromed services in Aus and why does the (northern) NT Gov seem so reluctant to make such a obvious choice...

Tenders have to be delt with in a fashion that gives all plares a fair chance. On the face of it Central section would have to be the obvious choice however expect very competitive tenders from SE Section, Pelair, Pearl, CHC maybe and perhaps even NJS.

Things are tough out there these days and players will be going for economy of scale to reduce costs. SE Section will be hungry after losing out to pearl in EN but maybe they'll be scared to step on CS's towes. If twins should win out in the NT non B200 players will have increased costs of training, admin and parts store. Lots of extra costs here over a tenderer who already runs the B200 especially proline training.
SN

Pel Air in EN not Pearl.

The SE Contract now a done dinner never had the option of SE airframes for various reasons. The Ambo's union in the original contract I believe said they would not have their member fly in SE craft for safety reasons, & rightly so:ok:

I believe (& it's only that) that IF a SE airframe (PC) does go down with fatalities then that would wake up a few money driven people whom make these silly decisions, only hope that I am totally wrong. We often see that in life that nothing is seriously done about such a crazy decision until 'after' the event. people die at railway xings, they fix it 'afterwards'.
All of course personal opinion/s & it's about choice, personal choice:) They don't make SE Airliners (even though they could with the pwr of today's donks)for the most obvious reason! :ok:

Wmk2

interesting news article from earlier today

CareFlight's secret deal | Northern Territory News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au

I would have thought it would have been particularly relevant, in light of the Norfolk accident, who CareFlight sub contracts the fixed wing flying to especially on a govt funded contract.:hmm:

Smells like another NT Government cock up. They seem to have unlimited funds to waste.

Was not the last and only aeromed aircraft go down with fatalities a twin

from the article

But Mr Sawyer stressed that Australasian Jet was an "entirely different" company to the failed Territory subsidiary - Australasian Jet NT. "There was a remote link, but it was a stand-alone business," he said.
"Australasian Jet NT took over a fledging business. It was basically a rebadge of an existing business. We didn't have much of a chance on that one."


Ausjet still paints a pretty rosy picture of its NT operation on its website... would that be "entirely different" or "prepared for the future"...

Gotta love how they try to cut their links with the NT Business!

AusJet and AusJet NT - They were owned, managed and operated by the same close knit team... how exactly does that make them entirely different!

I'm gobsmacked by that.

Fledgling business.....like hell. It was formerly Northern Air Charter which had been around for a few years (I was at their 5th anniversary bash and they were around for a few more years after that) and there were a few predecessors to NAC.

When Australasian Jet took over NAC in substitution of debt it was a failing enterprise and they did nothing to help that situation with poor management.

To try and distance themselves from that failed effort is nothing but spin. It is the same lot again.

pc12togo If you refer to the Mt Gambier crash, sadly yes, the only RFDS aircraft to crash in Australia was a B200.....however (as anyone who has read the ATSB report would know) the crash had nothing to do with the number of engines.

It was NOT the only aeromedical aircraft to crash in this country; not by a LONG shot. I can name at least nine more off the top of my head, at least four of which were single engine aircraft.

Do you have a point?:hmm:

My point (for those who like ecovictim that didn't get it) was that contrary to the previous post from pc12togo, there has been many more than ONE aeromed prang in Australia. Of singles, twins and even quad-engine-configured aircraft. The number of engines was not the issue, the number of crashes was.

Do you have a point in that reply? It was a bit abstract for me to pick up.

BTW, I currently fly both PC12 and B200; I have no interest in turning this into yet another pointless single vs twin debate. Perhaps those with chips on their shoulders on that topic could start their own thread on the subject?:rolleyes:

I see valid questions raised on the NT aeromed contract and would love to see those questions asked and answered in a more formal setting....say, NT parliament?:ooh:

Jamair, not quite true, there has been others, what of the PA31 that hit the gantry at Kalgoorlie ?.

Jamair, couldn't agree more.

If you fly PC-12 and love em, fill your boots, that's great. The thread is not about this, same goes for one eyed B200 lovers.

The pilots up here currently doing aeromed on the soon to be defunct NTAMS/Pearl contract have their own opinions about what they'd prefer to fly. After all, they are the ones up here doing aeromed.

What I'm sure we'd like to know is
1/What is Pearl going to do with its current aeromed pilots? Who/how many to be redundant/kept on/not paid/retrained?

2/What is the interim and or new operator (TBA) going to operate? (ok the interim operator has said King Airs but given their commencement date of 1/7/10 where are they going to source the 5 aircraft needed and more importantly how will they kit them out with stretchers, med oxy including the plumbing required, stands and braces for monitors etc

3/ T and C. Lets talk turkey. We know were going to be offered a pineapple to bend over too but the question is will they use the spiky end?:ugh:

FMN was the only RFDS crash with a fatality that I am aware of - I've not heard of the incident you refer to.

sumtingwong, I am given to understand that the Ausjet boss is currently in the process of buying the required aircraft in Europe (Sweden or thereabouts?)

Have you applied to the 'new' operator IAW their recent ad? I hope you get a gig; that all the Pearl drivers are looked after. None of this is the fault of the drivers.....as usual.

Jamair, thanks for that.

Yeah I'd heard they were sourcing them from Poland (wonder if the altimetry will be in metres)? I worry that they wont have them aeromedically ready by 1/7/10 which will mean guess who will be expected to manually lift patients on stretchers by themselves. (you know the nurses and certainly the doc's wont help).

RFDS Eastern Gold Fields, at the time WA was three sections.

Victoria - of course they were in the NW, Derby ?,
Eastern Gold Fields - eastern bits, and,
West ops ( I think ), JT, GEL, CAR and MEK ?.

Jamair, do you also fly the C208 ?.

Closed at 2pm today:

Closing List:Tenderers Jayrow Helicopters Pty LtdCapiteq Limited t/as Airnorth & Aspen Medical Pty LimitedCareFlight (NSW) LimitedRoyal Flying Doctor Service of Australia (Central Operations) IncorporatedTop End Aero Medical Services Pty LtdCorporate Aircraft Charter Pty LtdMedSat Technologies Pty LtdRotorwest Pty Ltd t/as Heliwest Group & Pel-Air Aviation Pty LimitedLloyd Helicopters Pty Ltd T/as CHC Helicopters (Aust)Top End Aero Medical Pty Ltd (T.E.A.M)Lloyd Helicopters Pty Ltd T/as CHC Helicopters (Aust)

which one of those is Pearl's alter ego??

Big name for a group tenderer..
Whatever happened to white space and punctuation..?

So has Pearl re tendered? They don't appear to be on the list.:hmm:

they apparently have, but not as you know them :oh:

Theres life Jim, but not as we know it!

Hat, coat, beer,depart

whatever happened to you finding out for yourself clown?

Top end aero med is a newly registered company, guessing a paspaley venture

If that's your attitude, you're welcome to the company you keep. :suspect:

Surprised you didn't use textspeak..





P.S.
Just clowning around..
Lifting the melon truck out of the septic tank -

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...theseptic7.jpg

Sure its been searched but...
 

Extracted from ASIC's database at AEST 10:11:58 on 17/04/2010
Name TOP END AERO MEDICAL SERVICES PTY LTD
ACN
143 075 441
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 12/04/2010
Next Review Date 12/04/2011
Status Registered
Locality of Registered Office Darwin NT 0800
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission

extracted from ASIC's database at AEST 10:12:56 on 17/04/2010
Name TOP END AERO MEDICAL PTY LTD
ACN
142 235 032
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 24/02/2010
Next Review Date 24/02/2011
Status Registered
Locality of Registered Office Parap NT 0820
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission

Your a smart little cookie aren't you....

Have you got a job yet?

What's it to you either way..?

Fb
Don't you love these kids
Heaven help us!

Great! A thread that is important to those who are directly affected most likely closed because a few have a problem with the size of their penis.

sumting
For the ones with that, then, we can only pity. The best outcome for a car accident, or any person requiring medical assistance in the N.T., is a reliable and prompt evacuation system to a centre with facilities. If your politics, personalities, and company manoeuvrings prohibit provision of that in a cost effecive manner - then the rest of Australia can only pity the people calling the shots there.. and those who live there..

I pity more the communities/stations/towns that req the service but are being led astray by petty politics and government meandering and red tape.
Crying shame the staff who choose to do this type of work are pinned to the wall on a daily basis.

An occasion I am familiar with where the prompt professionalism and skill of dedicated Aero Med staff saved a young mans life was in late 2003, when I got a call from the sister to get to Tennant Creek to help on their property. The Head Stockmans son had had an accident on a four wheeler on the service road alongside the new railway. Unknown to him and his school chum on the back, a contractor had just graded new table drains to shed the water away from the rail line across the road at intervals. They drove headfirst into one at speed. The lad was smashed about the head and unconcious, with liver and internal injuries, and the friend had both arms broken among other injuries. He had a mobile phone but couldn't even press the buttons with his nose to call for help, but staggered a couple of miles to alert the family. On the air evacuation, the unconcious lad's breathing (or heart) stopped, but they got him started again. After a brief stop in Alice Springs to stabilize him, he was later flown on to Adelaide where he spent many months recovering. His mother and father also went to be with him. It was touch and go for some time. Well done people, thanks from all our families. Don't let the petty politics prevent the efficient provison of this Essential Service.. frigate

I tried that, but the subject just will not die.

http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/4080...x-because.html

I once had a checkie simulate a second engine fail on me in a B200. Full glide approach. not a sensation I ever want to experience for real. Had to buy new undies before I could buy him lunch and a beer.

We all have preferences but if I was faced with flying 'the other one' or being out of work, well I guess I would. It is not like anyone in NT (pilots) or any other section will have much of a choice in the matter.

DD