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Aerodynamisist 1st Dec 2008 00:58

Sunfish, I agree ****y gauges on the tb10 that don't work half the time
also they glide like a crowbar. Pretty to look at though and a nice comfy seat.

Capt Claret 1st Dec 2008 01:11


I agree ****y gauges on the xxxx that don't work half the time
also they glide like a crowbar.
This quote could easily refer to a PA28-140, or a GAF Nomad, or any number of non French aeroplanes.

My only French experience was the Nord 262, and that was a very good introduction to multi-crew flying and systems more sophisticated than the mechanical flaps of the PA28s, or electric flaps of the 100 series Cessnas.

fleebag 1st Dec 2008 01:29

Looking at the stats aren't most fatalities in aviation still accredited to controlled flight into ground?

hongkongfooey 1st Dec 2008 02:04

Did'nt a MAS 777 have a similar incident to the recent QF330 over WA ?

Most if not all Airbus ( FBW ) accidents have been finger/operator trouble including the 1st one that mashed into the forrest.
Airbus golden rule number 1 : If in doubt disconnect the autopilot and autothrust, it will fly like a normal aeroplane ( inc moving thrust levers for the paranoid ones out there ), it just won't let you stall or get slow or over bank or over pitch.

Having flown the NG and the Airbus I can say one thing, Boeing have a damn cheek calling that thing an " NG ", there aint much new about it :rolleyes:

Bevan666 1st Dec 2008 02:25


Frog aircraft? The Tobago leaks through the Gull Wing door seals and the POH is always soggy as a result.

Then there are those tiny bar type gauges that you have to tap to get any reaction.......

And the overly sensitive elevator.
Sounds just like a bad example (or badly maintained). I dont have these issues with my Tobago. I rather like it actually.

Fris B. Fairing 1st Dec 2008 02:51

That's not a Frog aircraft. This is a Frog aircraft.

http://www.adastron.com/aviation/vault/frog-1.jpg

It's actually a TG Mk 2 towed target built by International Model Aircraft who also made the Frog range of model kits. It flys by virtue of the latest HBW technology - Hangs By Wire.

Trojan1981 1st Dec 2008 04:52


I for one feel a little hesitation about flying in a 737 due to the as yet unexplained rash of rudder hard overs
Apparently they concluded it was caused by "cold soaked" PCU's reversing the command input given by the pilots. There is an AD.
Boeing 737 Rudder Design Defect, Airline Safety, 737 crashes, rudder PCU, 737 Colorado Springs crash, US Air 737 crash

If I'm not flying it, I'm scared of it!

tinpis 1st Dec 2008 06:45

Pretty good

http://www.houseoffrog.co.uk/pictures/catpow.jpg

Engines were a bit weak....

http://www.houseoffrog.co.uk/pictures/cat7eng.jpg

nick2007 2nd Dec 2008 01:05

The tone of most of the statements on this thread suggest to me that what most of you are saying is... "It's french so therefore I don't trust it".
What a ridiculous argument.

Remember that there have been plenty of rubbish aeroplanes that have come out of the USA, but does that make all US aircraft equally poor quality?

Airbus have been running civil FBW aircraft without incident for longer than many of you people have been alive.

It's P Prune not Prune. Though recently I startedt to wonder about that.

Edit to add:
I'd also like to stress what someone said earlier. Airbus is equally German. Bear in mind that most people tend to have a very biased perception of French engineering to German engineering.

Mr.Buzzy 2nd Dec 2008 04:01

Thanks for clarifying that Nick.
I guess we all forgot that extra "P" for Professional. How terribly unprofessional of us!
I'll be sure to go extra hard on myself:O:O:O:O

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