Jumpseating?
 

G'day,

What are the chances of getting up front during an Aussie Domestic flight these days?

I hold a valid ASIC and an SPL if that helps!
IS it completely out of the equation or is it possible?

Cheers

unless you work for the airline, diddly squat

Not good
 

As Aussinick said pretty much buckleys!! I find it hard enough to get a jump seat and I work for an airline.:E

Yeah i figured i got no hope riding a jumpseat as such! but as far as riding in on the approach I wasn't too sure about

Is it under airline regulations or is it purely at the discretion of the pilots?

I dont know eh... Cause my friend whose father is a Captain, he just asked another pilot if he could jumpseat and the other captain said that is fine. So I'm imagining here that some airlines have different views?

Track

It's in the regs as to who is allowed in cockpit in flight and who can occupy seats etc....but essentially its the captains call/airline as to whether you can come to the front.

Whilst in flight your chances are almost nil. On ground on the decision of the captain it is possible.

:ok:

Yes, i've been up front post flight both QF and DJ, First officer on the DJ flight wouldn't let me go!

I might try my luck asking pre flight (normally you see them at the gate) if i can wander on up.

Don't ask you don't get!!

No chance on QF - must be an employee with an ASIC.

Bugger, i'd say VB are the same then!

Can any VB drivers confirm?

hahaha! maybe ill try that instead!

All im after is 10mins up front during the approach and landing

Track

Why don't you apply for VB then for a job then you could watch all phases of flight....and not just for 10 mins but for 5, 6,7 or even 8 hours!

:ok:

Thats further down the track!
Long way to go yet!

To jumpseat inflight with VB you need to be a VB employee or nominated on VB staff travel to meet company requirements plus get approval of the Captain

I think its come across a bit of a misunderstanding im not after a jumpseat as in a freebie flight or sitting in the cockpit for the entire flight.

I have payed for a seat on the aircraft, would i be allowed a visit mid flight as a paying passenger? (Hold an ASIC)

Hope thats a bit more precise!

You can lead a horse to water.....:rolleyes:

Back in the late 90's while studying for my ATPL's, I had my TAFE instructor write a letter to Qantas, just prior to a holiday I was taking to Singapore.

Ended up being invited to ride the jump seat from departure the whole way through to arrival in Changi. Got the same courtesy on the way back to Australia. It was like a dream come true for a fledgling pilot :ok:

Its a shame terrorism & security measures post 9-11 have ruined the ability for crew to invite passengers to ride the jump seat these days :(

Ahhh I remember the good old days when we were on route to LAX and the captain asked if any small children (accompanied by parents obviously) would like too see his office. That was the captain asking PAX :eek:

Happy to be corrected here...

There is nothing in law preventing it. But I know of no airline that allows anyone other than persons who work for that airline and hold a valid ASIC to enter the cockpit. Gone are the good ol' days. Most will let you in on the ground, so if you're easily entertained, try that.

If you happen to be looking for a little cash or part time job, look at National Jet (I see you're in ADL). Few months with them behind a desk and you should be able to get on a freighter (with an ASIC) to MEL, BNE or SYD. Unless things have changed there in the last 6 months...

In my very recent experience, i got to ride up front in a big twin prop. on RPT. mind you i did no both the crew (good mates off mine) and got invited up there.
maybe find out were the crew hang out mate, drink lotsa beer with them form time to time and than ask?

good luck.

i really enjoyed it and was nice to see what they do (my mates) during flight. (not to much it seems but drink coffee while the autopliot fly's lol)

yea yea yea i know bad wx and all it becomes hard work etc etc....

cheers :ok:

T5M- No jumpseat means no jumpseat, not even for a little bit. We still get people wanting to have a look but its only when we are on the ground and they are trooping out the door that they can come in. Sad but thats the world we live in.

With VB if you're on a staff fare (or family member of VB staff) if you have a valid ASIC, no problems, have done this before.

Well pay for a bit of simulator time, then you can sit in the back seat and you can go into any airport in the world!

A few weeks ago I managed to get a jumpseat ride from start engines to stop engines in a Brasilia with a regional airline in Australia. However i did know the captain as he comes through my airport almost daily. The only requirement was for me to display my ASIC and the captain and company's approval.

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Now days the pilot cowers behind the reinforced door and peers through a little peek-hole in the door before going out into the cabin (for toilet, speak to F/A, etc). And if there is a small child standing there waiting to use the toilet, the pilot won't - cannot - open the door! The child might be a terrorist, you see!

It is unbelievable! It is sad and pathetic to watch, and an absolute insult to be a participant in. What the f*** have we become? We have been royally conned, believe me.

I got invited to jumpseat on a regional the other week. Had uniform on and ASIC as had just done a ferry to the aerodrome. They heard me follow them in on CTAF and the hostie came and got me from my seat before engine start. Didn't even have to ask :ok:

I remember back in 1990 on Syd to Lax as a youngster heading up to first class in the 747 and having a look through the cockpit somewhere over the ocean. I was allowed to do that along with the other 30 off people in my school group, but when I sat in first class for a second to see what the seat was like I was promptly told by the hostie that I hadn't paid to sit in that seat!

Sorry fighterpilot,
There is a law, preventing access to the flight deck in flight except to a few authorised persons.


Aviation transport Security Act 4.67 Security of flight crew compartment.
(3) If the aircraft has a cockpit door, the door must remain locked
from the time the aircraft's passenger doors are closed and secured
for departure until they are unlocked to allow the passengers
to disembark, except:
(a) when necessary to allow a person to enter or leave the
cockpit ;or
(b) when otherwise necessary for safety reasons

(4) A person must not be allowed to enter the cockpit after the aircraft
has taken off unless:
(a) he or she is authorised to do so by the aircraft's pilot in
command or the aircraft's operator and:
(i) is a member of the aircraft's crew; or
(ii) is an employee of the aircraft's operator; or
(iii) is authorised or required by the Civil Aviation
Regulations 1988 or the Civil Aviation Safety
Regulations 1988 to enter the cockpit;and

(b) he or she holds appropriate identification as a person
referred to in paragraph (a)


Some airlines wrongly believe they can circumvent these regs by spiriting persons aboard and having them remain on the flight deck for the entire time from doors closed to doors open. Sorry, wrong they are neither authorised or required to be there and a previous Minister of aviation has ruled that that is the intent of the Act.

So to do otherwise is in breach of the Act and is an offence of strict liability.
That means if you're caught = large fine plus you're guilty of said offence until you can prove yourself innocent in a Court of law.

Hope that helps:bored:

is it just me or is the joy slowly getting sucked out the ass end of this world day by day?

Thanks guys for your input

Looks like ill just try to get an upgrade to premium economy on VB with a flash of my ASIC, and peer in the cockpit door for the entire flight!

I'll sneak on up after the flight

It's still pretty good in NZ (mostly with Mt Chook and AirNSN). It helps if you've got an airport ID but a valid licence should do the trick. Ask as you enter the cabin. They can't let you in/out when the aircraft is moving.

Captain Oveur: You ever been in a cockpit before?
Joey: No sir, I've never been up in a plane before.
Captain Oveur: You ever seen a grown man naked?
:E