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cjam 12th Nov 2008 09:57

"1. They could cary up to 3 200 Ltr drums "

That is a lot of gas, am I picturing it correctly? I think of 44gal drums being 200ltr, can you really fit three of those in a cessna?

The Green Goblin 12th Nov 2008 10:16

The Airvan has a payload of about 500kg with 200L of fuel on board excluding pilot and endurance for a two hour flight, fixed/variable reserve and the little extra just in case worked in.

600L of Avgas = 432kg
600L of Avtur = 474kg

A 210/206/207 will lug that no dramas as well :D BUT it's much easier getting the seats out, the freight in and the cargo nets secured in the Airvan!

Radix 14th Nov 2008 08:03

Disappointing news
 
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framer 15th Nov 2008 00:15


600L of Avgas = 432kg
600L of Avtur = 474kg

A 210/206/207 will lug that no dramas as well :D BUT it's much easier getting the seats out, the freight in and the cargo nets secured in the Airvan!
Wow, thanks GG, I have a few hundred hours in the a/c you describe but was never asked to carry anything like that (quite glad really!) Do you have to use load spreaders on the floor or is that not a problem?

Ex FSO GRIFFO 15th Nov 2008 00:26

Loads in 210's
 
G'Day 'Framer',

I have carried large metal objects in a 210 - one was a rear axle/diff for a truck at a remote location.

We spread the load with the use of a 5 ply flooring 'cutout'.
The cutouts left the tie down hooks free to use.
That also protected the carpet/upholstery etc.
We also used to fit plastic / canvas protectors to the upholstery etc when carrying some SLF...

Airmanship....and self preservation.:ok:

The Green Goblin 15th Nov 2008 01:23

Didn't say i had done it, just saying it can :D

Not my cup of tea having a couple of hundred Litres overhead, and another 3/4 of a tonne behind me!

Now if we are talking about red cans, done that a few times :ok:

framer 15th Nov 2008 03:21

Carried plenty of green cans around in the 210 but I didn't have the DG's (detestable goods) certificate required for red cans.:)

wingman-one 5th Dec 2008 07:08

What a load of dribble, i contacted i guy i know at the factory and he said what you described is completly untrue and that there have never been any problems with sealant coming off spars and into the fuel system causing fuel system blockage. In fact he report that there have been no reported cases of fuel starvation.:hmm:

sms777 5th Dec 2008 07:56

Say again!......:confused:

wingman-one 5th Dec 2008 08:16

mach082 said some early Gippsland Aeronautics GA8 Airvans have had problems with the sealant coming off the spars and blocking the fuel system.

What a load of dribble, i contacted i guy i know at the factory and he said what you described is completly untrue and that there have never been any problems with sealant coming off spars and into the fuel system causing fuel system blockage. In fact he report that there have been no reported cases of fuel starvation.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/yeees.gif

neville_nobody 5th Dec 2008 11:55


Fuel is normally carried in 20l jerry cans in AL.
Is that legal under the DG regs? Drum fuel is OK on cargo only flights if they're sealed etc but in jerry cans? I wouldn't have thought that would have made the grade under the packaging requirements? I would be somewhat apprehensive if someone wanted to throw jerry cans full of fuel on my aircraft.

alser 5th Dec 2008 12:42

Yes it is. Cargo only flights with properly loaded and sealed jerry cans. In the wet there is no other way to transport fuel. Mostly it is diesel.

The Green Goblin 22nd Dec 2008 21:19


mach082 said some early Gippsland Aeronautics GA8 Airvans have had problems with the sealant coming off the spars and blocking the fuel system.

What a load of dribble, i contacted i guy i know at the factory and he said what you described is completly untrue and that there have never been any problems with sealant coming off spars and into the fuel system causing fuel system blockage. In fact he report that there have been no reported cases of fuel starvation.
Wasn't sealant, was metal shavings from the wing spar blocking fuel filters. Happened to a Kimberley Airvan operator making a forced landing on a highway a few seasons ago :rolleyes:

We were all prepped about it before flying one!

The spiel was something like if you know you have plenty of fuel and the fuel guages agree, if the low fuel lights come on shortly followed by the low sump light, you have 11 minutes, slow for best endurance and land immediately.


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