Eagle
 

I would rather fly a 1900 based in Mogadishu, getting shot at by the locals. I would probably have more chance of getting "chopped" for my command interview at eagle than get chopped by a local...

Hey Chipsy
 

For someone with a shiny new CPL, you seem to have some fairly strong opinions already.

If I were you, Id listen to what people like Always Inverted and others have to say. He sounds like a trainer whos seen a few things. He might actually be on the interview panel by the time you want one. Suck it up buddy and when you've done a year or two as some ones F/O have a re-read of your posts and see if you still think that way.

The flying at Eagle isnt easy, especially in winter, and the thought of some of these jumped up cadet school students with thier shiny new shirts and platinum eppaulettes with little real GA time I suggest, would make most of the Eagle trainers shudder.

Chips, you are an idiot and it that type of ignorance that I am thalking abot.

Um no, I am not worried about the ctc guys showing me up, I fly just fine and safe, thats not just from me either.
I agree with warren9, stop posting for a minute and think about your posts, and if you have the ability to see that you look like little kid spouting opinions that they have heard said by others that also know nothing.

If you get off your soap box and actually listen to the others that you will fly with at eagle then you will learn ALOT.

Back to being shown up by ctc. Everyone has bad days... it will be on that day that I will expect my f/o to do his job, not take the piss and laugh. It comes down to being professional and recognising that whoever may be not quite on their game. It's something that you cant be taught at ctc in a module. :=

Remember that the captain is ultimately in charge of the a/c and the f/o is there to assist the captain by doing those duties that they are required of them as a part of the crew. It's a raw definition but that is how it used to be, not so now with the introduction of multi crew ops and crm, but under all the smoke and mirrors that is still the basic concept.
You are not proving anything by telling the captain that you could have done it better except making your life more difficult, think bout that comment for a second and see if you can understand what I mean.;)

Hey Pyote

Why the sudden change of heart? I thought you were chasing an interview a few months ago? You make it sound like you've already been "chopped" by Eagle before you even got in.

Might wanna do something with those sour grapes, mate. You wont find many takers.;)

Ahhhh... the golden boys do it again aye :ok:

heh heh heh!

Just off track for a moment..To the two Gis Boys out of EAH this morning, thanks for lending us one of your Seatbelt extensions..you restored my faith in the Eagle..we had an excess of fatties on the flight. I hope the belt found its way back to you..I left it with Ramp.:ok:

Awww, you've restored my faith in the human race MattyJ, that's truly touching:ok:

Steve you are always touching things..keep your hand to yourself:=

ha quality post. I think if i'd jumped straight into eagle from leaving training I would have missed out on all the cool tricks GA has to offer. instead of complaining about what you wanna fly just be thankful you have the chance at all. as far as im concerned even a day stuck in a something as small as a cresco is a joy. atleast im in the air. im in no rush to jump into eagle but when I do I hope im ready, but attitude is a huge part of the game. especially for an FO who is there to learn from experienced captains instead of trying to show them up.

Finaly someone with a brain. It's a shame that "bank angle" sidn't adopt that philosophy. Oh, thats his new name aparently...

As I have said before, if someone wants to learn I will go out of my way to help them, if they want to be a shyt head, then I can be a bigger one.
There are things that we as captains can make them do as f/o's that would make their day really shyt and long, but who benifits from that ?
The captain does of course, but only if they are quietly making them pay for being a smart arse. Remember that.
It's not about me having my head up my arse but also the fact that what you guys complain about we have all done in the past, and respect is very important given the space between us up the front.

There is no doubt that CTC has a real slick marketing strategy which is aimed
at wooing the egos of the self styled egotistical corporates into believing that their own image will be further enhanced if they follow CTC`s lead.
It amazes me how much that line appeals to us and it works too.
I am of no doubt that the 200 hr pilot would make the grade flying wise and become a totally respectfull person if they were taught by the old grizzly faced "son of a bitch" that has been there and done that. Starting life as a loader driver and retiring as a 747 Captain Those people do not take any nonsense. Their life experiences alone would quieten and mature most of the whipper snapers.
It was only tonight that I watched a little girl of about 17 - 20 walking back to her base, having left her student to do some solo work and I couldn`t help thinking, man, and they are training people to go to eagle.
I have to say too to the jaunty newly and not so newly appointed Eagle Captains that that slow talking old bastard in the PA31 making an approach into an uncontrolled Airport 15 miles ahead has your number too.

Remember also, the time spent in ga- not instructing so much, plus the flying you will do at Eagle (in my case) is probably the best you will ever do, if you miss out on the ga stuff then you really miss out on a bit of a childhood so to speak.

Was she hot, post a pic...:cool:

ive just passed 1000 hrs and before applying to any airlines im going to be heading off to PNG hopefully to gain some valuable experience and have some fun. should be good. for my flying and learning life skills blah blah blah. but i agree with inverted. post a pic :ok:

That's a dangerous move! If you leave NZ you'll realise just how sheltered and incestuous the NZ aviation industry is and you'll never go back.

Enjoy PNG.......and beyond :ok:

re:waren9
 

No sour grapes at all. They called me for an interview last year some time, they were very unprofessional to me on the phone and I decided that I wouldnt go for the interview. simple!

At the time it was a 30k bond for 3 years so I decided it was a bad idea from day one, I didnt want to waste their time and I didnt waste mine either. Got a good contract job where I got given the rating, I work 5 weeks on 5 off, and get paid a wack to do it. life couldnt be sweeter. Maybe a few more women in deepest darkest, but loving life these days!

It has lately but not from me. Like I said, thats how it used to be before the crm intergration...

Do you not agree tho that the captain is ultimately responsible for the a/c?
If you had flown with some of these really excellent f/o's you would see that they think that you are sitting in their chair and that they are ready.
What I am trying to say is that there is no respect for the position of a command anymore. Not that captains should be worshiped.
The new ones comming through have not had t work hard for anything cause it can be put on the student loan tab, therefore no appreciation of what it takes to get there.

Back to the original post, as this has really gone up the road.

Yes it is for those lucky enough to get in with low hrs. No if you arn't on a special course like the ctc one, then some instructing or ga charter/ freight running is the first step.

I wasnt on any ctc course so I had to work hard for what I got. and I think thats done me more favours then anything because of all that hard work I think along different lines. as far as im concerned a new grad has a licence to learn, nothing more and therefore nothing is "owed" to them. any job flying is a good one be it flying a paradrop plane or instructing in tomahawks. those lucky enough to jump straight into eagle arent necessarily any better then any other pilots. attitude (from my some what limited point of view) is more important then where you trained. but then again of course im bias! (and had a rather lot to drink)
:Dchooooiicee

This post started off funny- a wind up, but has turned into the usual rubbish.
PPRune at it's worst - just a complete load of twaddle. It's ill informed and full of egotistical jumped up prima donna's....shame it was funny.

Mod's where are you -

Hi guys been a while...... Ive been building my twin hours.

How many more do you guys think I need before the Eagle or Air Nelson.

I know mr Bank angle and I think Im probably doing better than he did at his internal assesments so hopefully Ill know when to point out a captains error or just when he is doing it for a joke.

Any ideas as to when they are hiring again because it would be good to get this job lined up before the summer kicks in so I can organise my leave for xmas and NYs

Cheers

ace

and so it begins again
*bump*

FACT.. ACECTC.... YOUR NOT A CTC CADET....

so why do you feel the need to post these comments, anyone who has a bit of sense will know this is just set up for people who want to see these boys fail and not make the cut and in general make themselves feel better knowing that they have a few virtual friends who share the same mindset.... is it really necessary!! maybe they have made a few errors but instead of writing about it why dont you tell them so they can learn, it just seems a bit ridiculous and unprofessional!! YES

AceCTC I hear Eagle are running interviews every two weeks from now until August '09.. They have another B1900 joining the fleet. If you have more than 10 hours ME time then you'll get in.

According to a mate of mine, he said the CTC guys like you are so good, that in 18 months you'll be having your command, and they'll also waive the bond when Air NZ give you the call after 24 months as a DE 777 captain too..

Good luck! :ok:

Ahh the sweet stench of bull****. It wafts around these forums like a fart through a 172. :yuk:

It's rather obvious that the CTC cadets are here, posting in this thread. G'day lads, sorry to hear about your checks.

I don't think anyone here with a 'real job' can deny they would have jumped at the chance to fly a 1900 when they were back on 200 or 300 hours, but I can imagine that most if not all would have the utmost respect for the chance and the people already doing it. That said, GA teaches you how to get out of bed early, work on min rest, and drink like a fish. Rather important skills for your budding airline career.

You never own your job - your only as good as your last check. Your not going to get anywhere showing captains such little respect. That's life, and seeing as your a few years ahead of where the NZ industry traditionally would have placed you I suggest you learn quickly.

Never a truer word spoken. :ok:

I really do hope this is a wined up :ugh: otherwise the state of NZ aviation is much worse than allot of us thought it was.

300 hours..........sorry fella you will not get your little toe through the door at Mt Cook with those hours, let alone that attitude! No plonkers welcome:=

Oh dear :(

To be honest, I feel sorry for the guys at CTC (or those that care), I think this has been blown way out of proportion, and have to agree with cornelious-rinitus in some ways.

I dunno, maybe I'm just too soft, but I think there's a lot to be said for giving people the benifit of the doubt before dining out on their fcukups. Particularly where youth and inexperience are involved. I can't help but think some of this is driven by jealousy? Just my thoughts anyway ;)

<sigh> 300hrs gets some lucky guys on the right seat of a jet in Europe.

Some people here are taking the thread too seriously.
The same kinda attitude that will keep NZ aviation the way it is.:}

Lucky??? Stuff that, I'm in a jet and it's ok but if I had a few million in the bank I would be back in G.A. aircraft or a 1900 like they have at Eagle. Enjoy it while you're there and then leave a slot for me when I come back:)

400 hours in a 200 hour course? haha sounds like quite a bit of remedial training going on there buddy... maybe you aren't as sh1t hot as you think. I did hear cook are looking for ramp crew. Maybe with those extra hours you'll have enough to apply for a baggage boy. W@nker.

I hear calls went out today for the interviews in late November. Anyone know who got the nod? Have heard that at least two of them are another bunch of 200 hour CTC Cadet's. Anyone confirm this?

No doubt they will be destined for the lucrative Masterton-Auckland route. :E

When Do the MS-AA runs star?
Will it be an AA crew overnighting in MS??

MS runs start in feb so I am told. will be done by akl crew who will overnight.