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elcap 30th Jun 2008 08:49

Tax Time
 
Is that loverly time of year again when you hoepfully get back some of that cash you have lost throughout the year. :ugh: So what can we and cant we claim as a GA pilot?

At the moment I am looking at claiming:

- Maps/Ersa etc from Airservices (or Jepps)
- Basic equipment (eg Handheld GPS, New headset)
- Endorsements (if you had to pay :mad:)
- Medical
- IR renewal
- DG course, First aid course, Engine management course

Some stuff I am not too sure about is:

- Driving between office and hanger for work (takes about 10 min)
- I heard around the traps that there is an allowance if your routinely away form home a couple of nights a week? Anyone know much about this?
- Remote area living allowance. I know this exists. How much is it?


And finally is there any other big ones i may have missed? :D


El

apache 30th Jun 2008 09:11

driving between office and hangar IS allowable.
Stationery including pens, calculators etc
mobile phone / home phone if you are "on call"... or similar
ALL casa doc's/jepps
sunglasses
moisturiser
all CASA charges (ie for licence updates, medicals etc)
uniform / laundry allowance... read the rules on this.
overnight allowances ... read the rules on this.
any equipment incl. nav bags, headsets (and batteries if ANR), GPS, charts, special non sparking shoes as determioned by the regs, logbook etc
cost of an accountant
cost of DRIVING to accountant.
industry publications incl magazines etc.


good luck!

Bendo 30th Jun 2008 09:44

Apache
 
You forgot the standard disclaimer:


This advice is general in nature and does not take your personal circumstances into account. This advice may not reflect what is best for you. Please read the PDS before acting on any financial advice from Apache Financial Services Pty Ltd
There is a guide for airline employeeson the ATO website.

Be careful when preparing your own tax: there are a lot of allowances that you consider "work related" but the ATO does not.

For example, training for a qualification for your current job is deductible - DG renewal, CIR renewal etc - but training for a qual that wins a new job - eg: endorsements - might not be (I think a Pornstar or Virgin pilot won a case about his endo?)

There is a standard maximum amount you can claim for your technical journals without receipts

There is a maximum mileage you can claim for work-related travel expenses without keeping a vehicle logbook

There is a remote area tax rebate (Zone allowance) which the tax office works out based on your postcode, I think, unless you tell them otherwise

Essentially it is all so complex and convoluted that you need to get an accountant just to be sure you're legal! :mad:

...and if your accountant is anything like mine, he will sling it to the junior guy who doesn't know jack about work, let alone YOUR work, cos he's only been out of school 5 minutes and has never even done a tax return for himself, and THEN his boss will charge you $180 even though you had to go through it with a fine tooth comb and ring the kid back and take half an hour... TWICE... to explain what is, and isn't, self-education and what is, and what isn't, a work-related expense for a pilot. :ugh:

compressor stall 30th Jun 2008 10:04

Australian Taxation Office Homepage has a handbook for employees in the aviation industry. Use it :ok:

BTW - Apache (g'Day!) you might want to recheck / clarify the phone advice....

Bendo 30th Jun 2008 10:20

Can anyone else spot three lonely old thirty-somethings who still long for PPRuNe Chat... just like the old days... even though they're now married and (supposedly) have better things to do? :8

... in fact I am fairly certain that all 3 of us only met our spouses after PPRuNe Chat was shut down and we were forced to mix with the outside world :E

rep 30th Jun 2008 10:50

got a better link compressor stall? i cant find anything

VH-XXX 30th Jun 2008 10:50

THIS IS IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ

I work in a professional non-aviation job.

I had to spend a while away from home, on and off for 6 months, but only about 120 kms from home.

The boss paid me $70 a day extra to cover my driving there (wouldn't cover it now!) this appeared on my group certificate at LAFH allowance.

So technically I didn't get my expenses paid for, however I got an allowance.

Went to the accountant. He found a ruling that said along the lines of if you are forced for work to work away from home and don't receive expenses (eg. hotel / meals), you can claim approximately $175 PER DAY WITHOUT RECEIPTS! (can't remember the exact figure but it was very large)

Yes, it's true. Needless to say I was wrapped and picked up $7k on my return.

If this even remotely applies to you, PLEASE check with your accountant, it may be worth it.

apache 30th Jun 2008 12:13

re the phone, stallie, I believe that if your employer does not supply you with a phone, and you are contactable 24/7 - as most GA pilot s HAVE to be to ensure that they can get the work hence earn a living, as well as be contactable whilst ON a job, as well as phone home when away on an overnight, then claiming for the cost of all WORK related phone calls, as well as a connection fee, and home once a night when away is acceptable.

Bendo... I have a theory that WIVEs got the chat shut down! WE enjoyed it, so it had to go. It is all going in my book.

ules 30th Jun 2008 12:20

I dont currently work in the aviation industry, but am doing a CPL diploma course i have spent alot of money on educational equipments, jepss, cao cars, etc bags casa fees exam fees , medical , etc can i claim all this, especially travel to and from the aerodrome (Car) ??

Horatio Leafblower 30th Jun 2008 13:20

Ules,

I am pretty sure that unless you are in a position that you require a CPL for, then all expenses relating to your CPL are your problem and the ATO aint interested, buddy!

HOWEVER
Once you have a CPL (and you have earnt a taxable income as a pilot, and you have a Group Certificate to prove it) you will also have:

*a technical library - which you can depreciate
*technical equipment (headset, nav 'puters, etc etc) - which you can depreciate
* any travel from your FIRST JOB directly to your SECOND JOB... but don't stop at the shop for any personal reason 'cos it won't count
*A medical certificate, the balance of which you can claim

In 2007 I earnt $12,000 as an instructor and a lot more in another field. I claimed $6,000 in deductions (validly), and every single dollar of those deductions was from my Aviation job.

Your expenses don't have to be proportional to your respective incomes.

There is a retrospective claim for your education expenses, somewhere.... I'll get back to you on that tomorrow :ok:

compressor stall 30th Jun 2008 14:00

Type "airline employee" into the search field on the ato website; item two gives you this doc.

http://www.ato.gov.au/content/downloads/NAT2331_07.pdf

The 07-08 one is not on line yet. I'd tip that it would be pretty close to the same.

For remote areas rebates (Zone Tax Offsets) read here: What is the zone tax offset?

Angle of Attack 30th Jun 2008 18:10

Just a few other items if you did buy them of course!

-Shoes Non slip black shoes claimable
-Medical certificates for sick days off (only if you didnt bulk bill and on how much you paid
-Internet - if you use the internet to check aviation related resources (work, rosters,publications etc)
-The issue of travel to and from work with bulky items is a contentious one, (of course the tax office says baggage is excluded but hey what else would they say?) Whether baggage is bulky or not remains to be seen but there have been cases where baggage has been ruled indeed a bulky item as deemed by law. So as such my accountant classes all travel to work if I have bulky luggage as deductible.
Having said that regardless if you go through an accountant or not at the end of the day you are signing the document and yourself is liable, but it is such a dogs breakfast I wouldnt worry too much anyway.
:ok:

The Voice 30th Jun 2008 22:15

just to chip in my 2 cents worth - any expense incurred by you in earning your income is claimable on the production of receipts. You may claim up to $300 total without receipts.

Anything that contains the word 'moisturising' or 'rehydrating' is claimable for all you chaps into personal grooming.

The biggy for most GA operators is if you fly for example from DRW to GOV or some other remote community you can claim 1 day at the special Zone A rate, irrespective of whether you have overnighted there or not. There is a table accessible on the 'net that you can check the locations as to whether they are allowable.

As with anything legal - it's all about interpretation. Even though when you read the ruling on the special zone allowance it may be read and understood as one thing, there is another perfectly acceptable understanding which allows the claim. Some accountants may argue in the negative - if so, time to change - it is a perfectly legal and claimable deduction.

Telephones - any call made in the course of your employment is claimable, and in some cases the costs incurred in maintaining the phone if you are required to be on call are claimable.

Driving - it's not the time spent, but the total mileage: calculated at x cents/distance depending upon the motor cc of the vehicle. Mileage is claimable on the production of a diary or a vehicle log book.

It may be worth the cost (which does vary depending upon the complexity of preparation of your return) to visit a tax agent/accountant.

Stationair8 1st Jul 2008 11:11

ASIC card fee and any associated mileage involved in getting photos, person to sign photos and postage etc.

Loss of licence insurance or the balance between what your company pays and you pay.

Technical publications, magazine subsrciptions etc.

Best to spend a few dollars and go to a good tax accountant.

Teal 1st Jul 2008 13:33


home phone if you are "on call"
If you want to claim some line rental costs, you'll need to keep a diary for a representative period to demonstrate the work-related portion of all your incoming/outgoing calls.


The boss paid me $70 a day extra to cover my driving there (wouldn't cover it now!) this appeared on my group certificate at LAFH allowance.
Genuine LAFHA payments should not appear on group certs because they are covered by FBT legislation - not an income tax issue at all. So either your boss didn't know what he was doing, or he was paying you a travelling allowance or kms (car) allowance. And even travelling allowances should not appear on group certs if below the 'reasonable amounts' set by the ATO.


if you are forced for work to work away from home and don't receive expenses (eg. hotel / meals), you can claim approximately $175 PER DAY WITHOUT RECEIPTS!
That would be the amounts set out in TD2007/21. The rates vary according to the city visited and your salary level. Neither the allowance nor the expenses have to be included in your tax return if the allowance does not exceed the reasonable amounts and has been fully expended on deductible expenses. If an amount less than the allowance has been expended, then your tax return must include the allowance and the expenses claimed. If a deduction is claimed, then the allowance must be included in the tax return.


Medical certificates for sick days off
Medical expenses for sick days not deductible but may be accumulated to claim a tax offset (rebate) if the net out-of-pocket amount of all eligible medical expenses exceeds $1500


Shoes Non slip black shoes claimable
If they are conventional shoes, then technically not deductible. Check with employer to see if shoes are part of a uniform officially registered with AusIndustry.


my accountant classes all travel to work if I have bulky luggage as deductible
Not without some risk and will depend on the specific circumstances of each pilot/engineer etc. If equipment is both sufficiently voluminous and heavy then chances are improved.


Best to spend a few dollars and go to a good tax accountant
Alternative is to spend of lot of hours doing a lot of reading... TR 95/19 (Income tax: airline industry employees - allowances, reimbursements and work-related deductions) is a good start (41 pages). A cure for insomnia. :}
Suggest that you pay the (deductible) money to an expert, but shop around for quotes. Don't get ripped off.

T

richie-rich 1st Jul 2008 14:12

anyone know of a good lawyer to go to? last year was a disaster! i lost more than I gained anything, really.

Richie

The Voice 1st Jul 2008 19:35

ahh Richie .. you sure you are after a lawyer?

Not many lawyers are tax agents/Accountants.

carbon 1st Jul 2008 20:46

Thanks Teal, great thread guys.

Horatio Leafblower 2nd Jul 2008 01:42

Rep

Did your employment at the time you incurred the expense require ATPLs?

If not - not claimable.

Teal 2nd Jul 2008 06:52


im not working in ga at the moment, but will be in the next few weeks, and ive already done all my atpl's.
The ATO tends to take the view that such expenses were "incurred at a point in time too early" to be deductible (particularly if the expense was incurred in a financial year prior to the year the resulting income was received. As Horatio indicated, unless you have some/any income related to your ATPLs in some way - even indirecly - then unfortunately you would be unable to make a claim that would stand up to ATO scrutiny.

apache 2nd Jul 2008 07:52

however, be vague about what exams it is that you have done... ie if you say "industry text books", or "ongoing studies related to career"... then you might get away with it

Bendo 2nd Jul 2008 08:01

Teal - you seem to know a bit about this - I have a technical question for you. :}

in the second half of last year I purchased a set of Jeppesen airways manuals. They were acquired in exchange for a carton of beer, although I had to pay money :{ for the ammendment subscription.

If I can produce the receipt for the Cartoon, can I deduct that amount from my income? :confused:

Moniker 2nd Jul 2008 10:42

bwahahahaha Bendo.

The only problem I can see is that the receipt would say "X pub" and mention said cartoon = nope canna do laddy.

apache 2nd Jul 2008 11:06

Bendo... I'll write you a receipt.... how much do you want it for ?

nice beer too. thanks for that

Teal 2nd Jul 2008 13:28

Usual disclaimers apply...
 
Bendo - Moniker and Apache pretty well sum it up...:D

I was going to suggest that you just get a receipt off the seller of the Jeppesen manuals. ATO unlikely to accept a receipt for the beer under the 'Written Evidence' provisions (Sub-Division 900E of the ITAA 1997 if you can't sleep).

If you're 'in business' (ie, not an employee) it's a different story as the ATO accepts bartering at a fair market value as the basis for deductions and assessable income - GST will also be applicable in most cases.

You'll need to buy me one of those beers if you want more advice on this issue...:}

Cheers

T

apache 3rd Jul 2008 03:08

and do not forget Bendo, that you had to drive almost 700km to pick up the damn things.....and an overnight layover on the outer fringes of a capital city, where you can claim $175 per DAY without receipts, as well as fuel, car costs, and probably a SYDWAYS as well

Bendo 11th Jul 2008 07:37

...and don't forget the extra $14.75 I paid in tolls becsue I got lost "somewhere in Western Sydney" on the great Mixmaster and ended up halfway to Camden instead of "quite close to the Ettamogah" :ugh:

Us country blokes don't cope wiff Sinney traffic very well :{

Mr snuffaluffagus 29th Jul 2008 06:20

Anyone know of a aviation tax specialist in Cairns?

Muffinman 1st Aug 2008 13:20

Medical renewal
 
Just recevied my return -the ATO knocked back the doctors fee component of my medical renewal claim for the first time in my many years of returns.

Anyone else had a similiar experience - or had it accepted?

apache 2nd Aug 2008 11:37

I dunno about THAT one Bendo..

I mean, lets face it - if you could claim money just cos yer braindead, then half of western Sydney, and all of victoria, would be in for million $ tax returns!

Horatio Leafblower 2nd Aug 2008 11:47

Apache
 
That is a good point.

Taking what TEAL has said above, as an alternate view, would the new UBD that Bendo bought be considered an expenditure "incurred in a point in time too late"? :}

re: The doctor's component of the medical certificate

HOW can the ATO justify that? I have to see 2 specialists every year which adds $250 to my medical renewal in addition to the $130 the DAME and $75 to CASA.

...all expenses incurred in the course of my employment.... :confused:

AerocatS2A 2nd Aug 2008 12:16

Muffinman, how did the ATO know what the doctors fee was? When I do my taxes there is no information sent to the ATO as to what each claim actually is. They save that for if they audit me.

glekichi 2nd Aug 2008 13:26

Whats up with the popular advice to donate to a charity to increase your tax return?

I mean, donating spare cash to a charity is incredibly noble, but paying $1000 with the intent of geting $400 more tax back??? :ugh:

It seems a LOT of people (I'm not talking about this forum - just the population in general) think that claiming something in a tax return means that they are getting the item for free.

Am I missing something? :suspect:

Horatio Leafblower 2nd Aug 2008 13:39

Intaxication
 
the feeling of euphoria experienced on receiving your tax refund before you realise that the money was, in fact, yours in the first place. :hmm:

Chadzat 3rd Aug 2008 05:10

Slightly different question here-

Is there a time frame that companies are required to provide you with a group certificate? I realise you must lodge a tax return by the end of October I think? A month down the track and I am still waiting for one from a previous employer. :mad: :mad:

Teal 4th Aug 2008 05:48


Just recevied my return -the ATO knocked back the doctors fee component of my medical renewal claim
Same query as Aerocat..the itemised information of your claim is not included in a tax return - regardless of whether it was a paper tax return or electronic. So how could the ATO knock back something they don't know about? Maybe your accountant chose to exclude it..:confused:

In any event, the expense is deductible.....(TR 95/19)


Medical examinations for licence renewal: A deduction is allowable for the expenses associated with medical examinations for the renewal of relevant licences. These expenses include the cost of the travel to and from the medical practitioner.
.

Is there a time frame that companies are required to provide you with a group certificate?
By 14 July. Some slack employers send them after this date. In any event, they have to send all their PAYG data to the ATO by 14 August from memory.

Muffinman 5th Aug 2008 02:43

Thanks for the replies. Agreed that the breakdown is not sent - maybe I should clarify my earlier post - the DAME component was rejected by the accountant (whom I have used for many years and has other pilots on the books) based on his advice from the ATO and various conferences the company attends regarding rulings for this financial year. I am in disagreement with his logic based on all my research, past claims etc. At this stage I'm waiting for some supporting evidence that enables him to draw this conclusion.

If he sticks to his guns, it looks like I will move on.


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