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Fresh CPL corporate job.."interesting"

PC12 LINE PILOT – (CO-PILOT) BRISBANE BASE
FULL TIME SALARY POSITION (ENTRY LEVEL AWARD SALARY)
PRIVATE CORPORATE AIRCRAFT – TRAVEL TO NOUMEA, INDONNESIA, THROUGHOUT AUSTRALIA, MUST MEET MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS BELOW
· MULTI ENGINE COMMAND INSTRUMENT RATING
· PREFERENCE FOR ATPL SUBJECT COMPLETION
· MUST BE WELL PRESENTED, COURTEOUS AND SAFE
· MUST BE WILLING TO TRAVEL AT VERY LIMITED NOTICE
· MUST BE PREPARED TO TRAVEL AS REQUIRED

Not a bad first gig i'd say.Get to travel outside of Oz and some real flying too.Seems to me like there's going to be more and more of these type of opportunities arising in the near future.Especially as the Oz corporate aviation market is set to boom a fair bit.Already know of 4people that have applied to this and I'm not suprised.Very competetive to get this gig, it sure will be.
It states that it will be an entry level award salary.So i'm guessing not more the 40k?Still okay I guess since it is a nice job and if there is a decent increase in the near future.

FO on a single? Yay. Why bother. :confused:

Not only a single, but a single-pilot single. So, I guess the FO doesnt actually get to log anything?

Sounds like a Scam!!

Probably flying swimsuit models to exotic locations and you must be prepared to help apply sunscreen to the models etc, the aircraft is owned by a guy that owns a Porsche dealership, owns a football team, a number of hotels, a brewery and a yacht based in the Whitsundays.

Probably better taking that VFR C206 job at Port Keats helping the local aboriginal community.

The RFDS can fly a PC12 to a remote airstrip in the middle of the night lit only by flares... Single pilot. A big reason is because the PC12 was designed from the outset to be as easy as possible for one person to operate. And how DO you log single engine F/O time if at all? :confused:

Still, it does beat Port Keats

At least with the 206 job, you get to build hours. As appealing as sunscreen-assistant sounds, you can get far more than 'entry level award' in other industries, in a non-flying job. And lets face it, first officer on a PC 12 really is a non-flying job, because you cant log the time.:hmm:

Yes all excellent responses & all valid. But with todays mentality of hiring even hrs in a SE as a F/O coffee maker & gear up puppet will probably be uselful!

Quality flying doesn't seem to matter these days.

Although suntan applying does have it's merits:}

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hahahahahahaha

don't bother flying for them unless you like to be bent over

But the question remains, can you even log Co-pilot time in a single?? I know my logbook doesn't have that column.

If you can't, then I dare say that time will NOT be useful to you, :}.

morno

I think you can provided that 2 pilots are required, either by the aircraft flight manual or by the company ops manual.

Why is everyone so so down putting of this gig? Ever thought that maybe that FO will be upgraded to captain in due course when he/she has seen how to operate the aircraft.

Much better to train someone up in a benign environment and then captain it say leg for leg under some supervision initially. Polling the plane is the easy part, it's all the paperwork and dealing with customs out of country that opens up whole new can of worms for a newbie that hasn't seen it before. Better that someone else show him/her how to do it than find out the hard way.

At least the candidate will be paid properly.

Just my 2 cents.

** Not everyone has the intention of going to the airlines.

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you cant log the time

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And how DO you log single engine F/O time

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can you even log Co-pilot time in a single?? I know my logbook doesn't have that column

Of course you can log it - If you are appointed by the company as co-pilot for the operation, then that's what you log. As to their reasons for multi-crew single-engine ops ? Well that's up to them and (usually) the customer's requirements.

As for not having a column in your logbook, there isn't one for Instructing time either, but CASA very clearly require that to be logged. It's hardly rocket-science; Either use one of the spare columns, or simply re-name one of the columns that you don't need. http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/flight_time.htm

You can choose for yourself whether the logbook time is useful to your own flying ambitions, but please stop presenting wildly inaccurate guesses as facts.

There is a airline in Canada which uses these aircraft, 2 pilot on RPT. Just can't find it at the moment. I did troll across this old ad, circa 2006 for PC12 pilots.. for that salary.. I'd take it.. :)

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Pilatus PC-12/45 Pilot-In-Command (CA) 5/26

Part 91 operation is seeking to hire a PIC for a Pilatus PC-12/45. Job description is as follows:

* To be Pilot in Command of a privately owned Pilatus PC-12 that is jointly owned by 2-3 parties.
* The Pilot is to be on call at all times with the expectation that the pilot’s salary is for an average 40 hours per week.
* The majority of the flights will be for transportation of the owners and employees of their companies for their regular business operations.
* Majority of the destinations will be in Southern California, ranging from San Diego to Kern and San Bernardino Counties in the north and Arizona to the East.
* Majority of the trips will be day trips but on occasion, overnight stays will be required. Lodging will be provided for the pilot with a per diem amount for expenses but all other expenses will be his responsibility.
* The plane will be stationed in San Diego, at either Palomar airport in Carlsbad or Montgomery Field in Kearny Mesa.
* The plane will also be used for personal trips, ranging to Mammoth Lakes, CA, Colorado, Texas and Mexico. These trips may require longer overnight stays.
* At this time, the plane will not be used for charter services.
* Manage the scheduling for the owners. (preferred – if not we will get a 3rd party to do this for us.)
* Manage the maintenance schedule. (preferred – if not we will get a 3rd party to do this for us.)
* The pilot will be responsible to report to the Owners any mechanical or maintenance issues he experiences with the plane.
* The pilot will manage the stocking of the aircraft with food or beverages as requested by the owners using the plane and insure that the plane has been properly cleaned by a third party service provider prior to each flight.

Minimum requirements include:

* Commercial License
* IFR Rated
* 2,000 Logged Hours
* CFII Certified (Preferred)
* Checked out for the Pilatus PC-12/45
* Proper documents to be able to travel internationally, mainly to Mexico.

Salary is $70K to $90K, based on experience. Benefits include medical and two weeks paid vacation. To apply, please email resume to employer. Tell them you saw the ad on AvCrew.com.

They are not a commercial operator. So wouldn't have an ops manual.
2 crew must be a customer requirement, but then again, how do you have "customers" on a private op? :hmm:
The PC12 is a great aircraft though, and seems like a good oportunity for a low time pilot to get an eye opener to a part of corporate aviation.

Plenty of operators here in Canada run the -12 as 2 crew. Right seat time is completely loggable when operated as such.

For people looking for progression to the airlines - although it's a single, it's turbine, EFIS, pressurized and we plan a 260TAS cruise. Not bad for a first job.

What happened to the very truthful and well versed response about RAC.:confused:

Maybe they thought twice about it. Didn't want to land any current or former committee members in hot water. Glad someone read it though.

Would like to hear other's opinions...

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Very competetive to get this gig, it sure will be.

Thanks Yoda.:}

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Why is everyone so so down putting of this gig?

Oh, so you're Yoda now?:ok:

nicholasanthony wrote:

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As a senior recruiter of pilots for a major company - May I suggest your "attitude" will determine you "altitude" in this career path you have chosen.

Sir, confirm you are the person who is recruiting for this PC12 job?

Yeah, it certainly looks that way!:E

When I was starting out, I'd have given my left nut to get an opportunity like this..sure its S/E, but so what?
Pressurized..up in the FL's, and I would assume operated to airline type SOP's
All you cynics need to take a break:=

nicholasanthony wrote:

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As a senior recruiter of pilots for a major company - May I suggest your "attitude" will determine you "altitude" in this career path you have chosen.

Major company, which one? One question I have to ask why is the aeroclub and obviously it's staff involved? Shouldn't you people be looking at the waiting times of members? Looks like some things wont change.

Clapped out old C206 carrying skydivers up to 10,000' or carry aborigines around the NT or flying a nice PC12 as a copilot.
Difficult choice I know.
Perhaps the guy flying the PC-12 leaves next week you might get the left seat gig?

Don't forget the early Learjets were operated in Australia single-pilot and carried a radio operator in the right seat.

Bet I can guess the the new Pilot - Tony S.???:ok:

Bit Harsh D Dog, notice you got a new profile just to say that...

First job PC12 F/O? Hmm, would be interesting, but if a guy's first 500 hrs after CPL are F/O where is his command time. Co-pilot time logged as 50% so it'll take you a long time to get the 1500 hours total.

Meh, my two pence

Still better than flogging about in a crapped out old C206!!

Best way to get a job flying is take the first job and then look around for the next job, which leads to the next job.

I know a guy whose first job was a DC-3 FO brand new CPL and IFR rating, now is a captain on B747, another first job was as a Twin Otter FO now flying for Cathay Pacific , another guy started out fish spotting in C337 for a few years and likewise flies an Airbus for Cathay Pacific, another one started with CALM doing fire-spotting in Cubs finished up with Skywest.

Anyone have the contact details for capt job... Details not on AFAP anymore...