NVFR-nil restrictions
 

I hold a MECIR and meet the NVFR aeronautical experience so I can fly a twin under the NVFR anyway. I would actually like to have NVFR Rating in my license, coz lets say hypothetically my IR expires (I don't intend on letting this happen, but hypothetically) then I will not be able to fly at night at all.

My question is this; if I do the NVFR Rating test in say a 172 will I get a single engine only restriction. If that's the case I will need to do it in a twin.

Thanks in advance.

I added your question marks.

But you are correct - if you take the flight test in a single-engine aircraft, you will be endorsed for a single-engine grade of Night VFR. Mutatis mutandis, doing it in a twin will get you a multi- NVFR.

Thanks for the quick response.

As I expected.

Hi Adam,

If you do a separate NVFR flight test in a single engine aircraft and your MECIR lapses - you will be restricted to SE-NVFR.

I currently hold a SE-NVFR, but am currently training to obtain my MECIR. I have been told by an ATO that I can upgrade my SE-NVFR in my MECIR flight test by demonstrating the ability to cope with an engine failure in cruise and conducting unusual attitude recovery in simulated IMC.

Perhaps complete the NVFR in the C172 - then upgrade to ME-NVFR during your next CIR renewal or do the whole thing in the multi.

Check out the flight test form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regulate/fcl/form206.pdf

Cheers,

Mo :ok:

Hey Capt Mo,

That makes a lot of sense then. Thank you.

Although you do both of those things in the MECIR test anyway, so is it necessary to demonstrate it again, or have I just misunderstood what you said?

Adam

You're right, you do - you just need to hand a separate test form to the ATO to sign it off!

Mo

Ah okay, so that means I only need to do the test in a single then and I will get nil restrictions.

And, no doubt, pay an extra fee to CASA for the addition of the ME/NVFR details to your licence!!:ugh::mad:

Yet another bit of nonsense perpetrated by Cretins Against Safe Aviation.

Hold a current MECIR and you can conduct a flight under Ngt VFR conditions, provided you meet night recency requirements.

Let the MECIR lapse and you instantly become "unsafe" to conduct the same flight.

..... but get a ATO to sign off on a ME Ngt VFR form, and pay your money, and you remain "safe" for life to conduct the above flight, provided you meet night recency requirements.

What drivel!

Used to be that you had to demonstrate an engine failure at night under VMC, but a couple of prangs put paid to that.

Dr :8

Oh of course! hmmm... sucks doesnt it :sad:

FTDK - I see what you're saying but you still must undertake the SE NVFR flight test prior to having the ME NVFR signed off, so the candidate should have a thorough understanding of the NVFR procedures.

The only difference (on the NVFR flight test form) between SE and ME is the ability to handle asymmetrics during the cruise. I guess an ATO figures if it can be handled in the MECIR under simulated IMC, it can be handled at night.

Adam, you'd need to do the SE NVFR, then get the ME NVFR rating once you complete your next MECIR renewal I think.....

Mo

An ATO will not sign you off for a NIGHT VFR Rating on a CIR test in daytime or at night. You will have to book a NIGHT VFR test on a separate test number. Why don't you do your next MECIR renewal late in the day or at night and book your ME NGT VFR test on the way home?

Well I got my SE-NVFR then ME-NVFR before my MECIR. The multi NVFR was a simple demonstration of handling an engine failure in cruise at night. No other items were tested as I had already passed and held a SE-NVFR. I think I did some limited panel or something as well, either way it was around 0.5 dual looking at my logbook. Because I got both of them it doesnt matter if my IR lapses I can always fly at night VFR as long as my recency is ok. Which is pretty hypocrytical, If you have held a CIR you should be able to fly at night with the same recency requirements IMO, but hey it is CASA. :confused:

Cheers for all that guys. I'm gonna head down to the airport tomorrow and try sort out a test then.

Adam.

Years ago in the days of the cloth covered book licence (before the credit card before the current hefty tome) when you sent your licence in with the test form, after I did my CIR test, my licence with its SE NVFR section came back with a 'Restriction Lifted' stamp over the top of the SE restriction. It was done automatically.

Wonder why they stopped doing that?

Probably because some bean counter worked out they could make money in removing that restriction, :hmm:...

morno