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P-air 2nd Nov 2007 08:10

Red Bull Air Races - Pics
 
Have been very fortunate to be overnighting in Perth during the Red Bull Air Races this weekend. Grabbed a couple of pics during the practice run today.
Thought good to start a thread for people to share their pics of this awesome event.

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/checker.jpg

P-air 2nd Nov 2007 08:12

How straight is this guy. Razor like precision!!
http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/checker2.jpg

Howard Hughes 2nd Nov 2007 08:36

The links don't work you need to be a member, so I am assuming they are not your pics?:eek:

P-air 2nd Nov 2007 08:48

Thanks for the headsup HH
Corrected the links. :ok:

And yes, for clarification, can safely say it was my finger on the trigger today.

Launchpad McQuack 2nd Nov 2007 08:56

Awesome pics :eek:

Would love to go there next year.

LP

pilotdude09 2nd Nov 2007 14:58

Simply amazing stuff, seen it on TV from some of the overseas round. That would be a great job though! never a dull moment :)

Thanks for the pics, hope everyone keeps them coming. I shoulda bit the bullet and forked out and went down for the wknd. Regret it now! :*

Howard Hughes 2nd Nov 2007 20:54

Great pics...:eek::ok:

P-air 3rd Nov 2007 06:56

Couple from today....


http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/Pertha.jpg


http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/BlueRedbull2.jpg

P-air 3rd Nov 2007 07:06

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/yellow.jpg

P-air 3rd Nov 2007 07:21

Whoops
 
A Small Sequence Clipping one of the Markers

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/oops1a.jpg

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/oops2a.jpg

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/oops3a.jpg

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/oops4a.jpg

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/oops5a.jpg

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/oops6a.jpg

http://www.e-jets.org/medimage/redbull/oops9a.jpg

Yakfivefive 3rd Nov 2007 09:37

P-Air

Thanks for the shots , damn good and flying as well.

Dog One 3rd Nov 2007 23:16

Nice photography!

M14_P 4th Nov 2007 07:57

Awesome pix dude, nice work! :D

Just a comment about the series here....
I really enjoy following the series as well, I think the next step is to introduce a junior formulae where they run slower biplanes (a fleet of Pitts would be good), all the same engine, ie: for example, the S2S (with the bigger snout) like ours but single seat which has the downrated version of what those Edges' run (310+hp). So it would be a very close series. But I think to tackle the problem I am getting at would be to rid the field of Edges! This would leave the Extras and MX designs, even make it possible to enter the fray with a single place Giles or even the new Swiss Votecs would be adequate - of course the pilots are all hand selected, so it is only going to grow as the organisers want it to...I just don't like Edges! (they are an astonishing all-rounder ,both aerobatic comp flying and racing, damn it!).

m14

TOGA_Party 4th Nov 2007 09:18

Spent the day underneath the approach to Langley Park (the grass paddock beside the Swan river that doubles as a runway) it was very impressive watching some of the side-slipping to get into the strip.
I have chided myself senseless for deciding to leave the camera at home.
:ugh:

jetstar1 4th Nov 2007 21:16


But I think to tackle the problem I am getting at would be to rid the field of Edges!
M14_P

If you were paying such close attention to the series, you probably would have noticed the winner of the round, Ivanoff, was flying the Extra 300SR :eek:

j:ok:1

carbon 5th Nov 2007 01:49

M14P, The biggest hurdle I can see for the expansion of the series is purely the logistics.

While I don't have any solid figures, the disassembly and transport of one aircraft would have to be immensely expensive, especially considering the aircraft is likely to do less than 3(ish) hrs of flying at each location.

I think a feeder series would be a great addition, though not with a pitts!, can you imagine re-rigging the thing at every location after putting the wings back on? I would suggest 15 pilots sharing 3 or so stock Ea300l's or S's. Or perhaps Cap 222 etc.

Yes this disregards issues of personal preference of setup, sponsorship markings etc, but surely more cost effective. There is plenty of the top guys still running around with just the generic Audi or Seat sponsor markings, and no individual sponsor.

Which leads me to the question, how does the series remain financially viable? for both RB and the competitors?

OZBUSDRIVER 5th Nov 2007 08:13

Amazing flying. TV doesn't do this race justice. Glad we came over to see it for real. Precise flying right on the edge of the envelope. A gust of wind, g-stall and there goes two seconds off the lap. The young fella from 2FTS has got it right when he describes this as some of the best stick and rudder flying in the world. Excellent:ok.:

Jose Cuervo 6th Nov 2007 01:59

Bring on the Playstation 3 and X box versions! I wanna have a go!

aulglarse 6th Nov 2007 04:32

TOGA, how long/short was this grass strip? Sideslipping into land must prove to be a short strip or was it because of the treelines? Cheers, AG

control snatch 6th Nov 2007 07:30

It was so disappointing not to have more RAAF prescence on the weekend. A few PC9s just doesnt cut it in my book.

corowacomet 6th Nov 2007 07:36

The strip is about 750m long. The sideslipping is not because it is short it is because they are flying extremely slippery aeroplanes with no draggy bits and also because the view out the front of those things is er...somewhat limited!
The Comet.

VH-XXX 6th Nov 2007 07:42

Adding to that the sideslipping is good if you want to get on the ground quickly. Hammer in on final as fast as you want, throw it into a sideslip to wash off the speed and throw it on the ground. You could fly the 1 degree approach but nobody has time for that these days.

There were many a pilot that chose not to land on the grass because they felt it was a little short. (Mostly the poms!)

TOGA_Party 6th Nov 2007 08:17

aulglase:

Don't know the length of the paddock. Side slipping those particular aerobatic aircraft is necessary as they do not have flaps.

The ailerons are nearly full-span, so side slipping is really the best (only?!) method of approach path control. It allows an increase in rate of descent, while keeping the speed under control.

And there where some good sized palm trees not far from the threshold!

And at times there was a reasonable x-wind on the 45 aswell!

So for all those reasons I was pretty impressed with the airmanship shown!

:D

M14_P 6th Nov 2007 23:25

Yeh good point, Pitts' are tiny wee things though they could probably be stored in one piece and transported accordingly.
I have some figures actually, it costed each US Unlimited aerobatics team member, to go to the World champs at Grenada this year, US$25-30K JUST for transportation, not reassembly, or testing, or flying, and fees, accommodation...
They have been trying to get the US Air Force to allow them to charter a C5 Galaxy, as it would halve the costs for everyone by getting everyone under one roof. Apparently they have a senator on board who wants to help with this for next time....

I hadn't noticed about Ivanoff, I only check the results occasionally....Amazing though, how is that possible!!
Stock or factory 2 place Extras or S's could be the answer. My thinking was another category, similar to the T6 Havard section at Reno, a very competitive, closely fought contest.

Certainly a logistical nightmare, must be the same sort of level as Formula 1 when it comes to moving the 'circus' around the globe...

M14_P 6th Nov 2007 23:28

Yep for sure, these machines don't generate much lift at low speed and low power settings...
When I'm joining a busy pattern in the Yak it is a pain in the ass, having to fly a standard approach with a 50mile final, with something that descends like an elevator with power coming off...if I'm followin a wee piper or cessa I would swerve left to right on final to keep the numbers in sight and not bother with flaps at all and not start descending from circuit height until onto finals.
fun n games!
Speaking of Vis, in those pics on this thread, I noticed how bloody bad the vis must be when on the ground in one of those Zivko products....with the mid wing, and long wide snout, there is just no vis, it looks like you cannot see anything bar a couple of small strips inboard of the leading edge left and right of the nose - crazy...even the Pitts has better vis I would imagine although I haven't sat in a 540 before.

carbon 7th Nov 2007 08:06

Primary design consideration is high performance flight, everything else is a secondary consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBYrYjNi53M

That video illustrates your point! Expensive composite MT prop strike.

Jabawocky 7th Nov 2007 10:04

Lucky for the crabon prop....it might be expensive but not like a full engine strip and rebuild:uhoh:

J

carbon 7th Nov 2007 11:02

M14P, even a Pitts S1 has a wingspan of 17+ft, while the average shipping container is <8ft wide internally. Wings are coming of one way or another as far as I can see.

J, I think the fact that he had a spare about says it all, the big mt logo wouldn't come cheap.

M14_P 8th Nov 2007 02:22

Is that right well can't say I have ever shipped an aeroplane overseas....

carbon 8th Nov 2007 09:43

I'm not sure if the last comment was in sarcasm or not?, I have never shipped an aircraft in a container either, though would be glad to be proven wrong. Common sense seems preclude wings on shipping though, for geometrical reasons as stated.

Sorry for drifting the thread guys.


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