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Cyclone Bob 13th Sep 2007 21:10

What's Eagle up to now?
 
Heard a rumor that Eagle is introducing some human factors CRM type course for new hires, at the candidate's expense..? Anyone else know anything? Makes the job sound so much more attractive...:ok:

craka 13th Sep 2007 21:13

at candidates own expense plus a 30k 3 year bond this is coming close to 50k to get into eagle??

May as well get a 737 rating get paid more and work less

haughtney1 13th Sep 2007 21:37

When will you guys ever listen?

They will be taking a majority of their newbies straight off CTC..not all..but the majority.

P.S. Don't shoot the messenger

komac2 13th Sep 2007 21:44

as with Haughtney1's post go here for info www.ctcwings.co.nz/APC_information.html

always inverted 14th Sep 2007 03:55

Are you serious ??
How much are they planning on charging for this crm course, and what do you get out of it Vs the anz crm course, just curious. We havent even done a crm course yet... Think that it may be in the pipeline tho.

conflict alert 14th Sep 2007 07:57

snooze lose

Cryten 14th Sep 2007 09:13

Someone must be taking the p*ss surely. Aren't they already having trouble attracting pilots? The stupid bond will have already scared off most of the pilots they should be hiring.....and if this is true....the avalible pool shrinks further.

Can't be long now before the only guys bothering to send in an application are fresh coms (CTC perhaps?)

Think I might crack another beer, sit back in my comfy chair, and watch this one. Could be the best entertainment I've had in a while.

hey, while they're at it, why not lower their minimums and charge a $15 application fee......gotta be a few bucks in that, right?:hmm:

27/09 14th Sep 2007 09:46

Hmmmm

I wondered when the next Eagle thread was going to start. :bored:

Must have been at least three lots of interviews without any Eagle bashing, it been a bit quiet on that front lately. :rolleyes:

Cryten 14th Sep 2007 10:02

good point.

Maybe, just maybe, everybodys happy;)

mattyj 14th Sep 2007 10:55

its because they are being very nice nowadays when they are telling you to piss off. (speaking from experience)

If you really kick up a stink about your interview..they sometimes even give you another shot

Things have changed:p

Jack Sprat 14th Sep 2007 11:45

Whats another 15k on a 100k student loan anyway - chicken feed !

flyby_kiwi 15th Sep 2007 02:51


plus a 30k 3 year bond this is coming close to 50k to get into eagle??
Craka.... Its a bond - you dont stump up 30k to get in. You pay if you choose to break the conditions of your bond - That shifts in the ball into your court.

flyby_kiwi 15th Sep 2007 03:00

Haughtney1's probably not far off the mark.
Ive heard mutterings of this too..... If CTC's programme can put the pom's straight on jets no reason why the same programme cant put the NZ guys they train onto props.
I would put money on it happening by the decades end but the problem will probably lie with a lack of training resources as these are tied up enough as it is, let alone having to get a fresh cpl online.

masseygrad 15th Sep 2007 03:23

15k ??
 
If it's going to cost 15k for a CRM course.....then can anyone tell me how a CRM would cost 15k???

Especially if say 10 people were doing it together... $150,000 thank you very much!

How many days to do a CRM course? 2? 5? Jeez, would such a CRM course involve in situ training in an Air NZ sim? You could get 1/2 an endorsment for that!

muttly's pigeon 15th Sep 2007 05:28

The company have thier own CRM course. It is two days long and is anticipated newbies will go through it once employed (Ie not pay 15k themselves wherever that figure came from???).
A few of the existing pilots have gone through it but the crew numbers
are too tight at present to pull more off line to complete it.
Watch this space for cadets. I dare say there will at least be a trial, cant wait to hear the bitching from those who feel they were owed the job :}

komac2 15th Sep 2007 07:42

Advertisements in the waikato times sits vacant today for the APC and CPP Courses which states the chance of Employment Placement with a Regional Airline if you are successful in being accepted for training with CTC. APC wise if you hold the right Licences and IR you could be flying RHS in 10 weeks. 18 months for CPP.

Cryten 15th Sep 2007 12:12

Really?

Instructors being passed over for jobs? That's going to upset the apple cart. As if there aren't enough bitter instructors out there already.

CTC had better start issuing their instructors with crayons. An angry instructor with a sharpened pencil could be a force to reckon with:}

empacher48 16th Sep 2007 07:03

I'm just wondering what sort of experience the current interviewees have (if there are any that want to go through all that cr*p just get a job flying a 1900!)?

6080ft 16th Sep 2007 10:56

yeah took a while for another eagle bashing thread to start!
just waiting for someone to have a moan about the '4 day interview', which is crap mine was over in a day and a half.

have not heard about this ctc scheme but I would say there are plently of people out there with the hours without having to resort to that.

interviewees have 1000 and 300 multi from what i heard

muttly's pigeon 16th Sep 2007 21:28

empacher48,

I would the think the CV pile would be plenty big enough. What other options are there in NZ??? Pay out circa 10K for a Metro or Jetstream rating? Cook and Airfreight wont take you out of GA, And to have a shot with Nelsons requirements will mean spending even longer flying around in some crusty old light twin for what significant benifit? (dont forget that will have to be NZ I/F time too :E)

Makes a 3 day interview seem pretty painless to me :ok:

Bongo Bus Driver 17th Sep 2007 02:44

The Air Nsn big wigs were up in HN a few weeks back. You never know Air Nsn may be looking at cadets too.

empacher48 17th Sep 2007 05:40

muttly's pigeon;

I do realise there are quite a few out there that are looking for that step up into the airlines. But I am a bit cynical, as one day I'll be looking at moving on up into the airlines and as you say the options in NZ are slim, and you need to do what you need to do to get the jobs.

I was after an idea of the experience of the guys moving in now, just to see how many more years I'll be flying down here before I get my chance. (I'm starting to get some Pilot in Command time, in a Multi Turbine machine a tad smaller than the 1900, but its all VFR). By the sounds of the guys with 300 hours multi, I'll be here for a few more years yet, just long enough to get some savings under me before I take the job and the pay cut to move into Eagle (as you say, you do what you need to do!).

Cryten 17th Sep 2007 08:36

Why limit yourself to NZ? There's plenty of aircraft out there needing dirvers.

You might even get paid enough to live on.

muttly's pigeon 18th Sep 2007 01:27

Empacher....

The guys getting into eagle seem to have 1000tt with 200multi, some with a fair bit more total (nearer 2k) and around 150multi. I guess your flying next to a lake of sorts, If its the one further South I guess it will be difficult but try keep I/F current - Im told alot of the people in the CV pile are not.

empacher48 18th Sep 2007 05:18

Thanks for the advice there Muttly's Pigeon; You are right I am near a lake and will work on getting and keeping current IFR but once I'm completely at home in the old girls down here!

As has been mentioned, there is always REX or Qantaslink over the ditch, but I know what aussies think of the multi I'm flying now! (I think most of them feel that :yuk: sums them up, but they are an amazing and great fun machine to fly!)

Sqwark2000 18th Sep 2007 21:49

Interview flight gone?
 
heard yesterday that the flight in the Beech during the interview process may have been dropped. apparently may have been to do with Eagle's 141 cert (ground training only maybe?)

Anyone hear the same?

Also saw a company newsletter that said 41 pilots had been turned over in the past 12mths, 25 of those since April. That the wheels up may have helped relieve the pressure of crewing shifts and that the pressure will come on when it returns to service and also the intro of the 18th Beech, so recruiting will continue in the mean time I'd guess.

From my personal experience I had a great time at eagle and can recommend it as a first regional job. Good luck to those in and those trying to get in.

S2K

burty 18th Sep 2007 23:20

Do Vincent bond?

flyby_kiwi 19th Sep 2007 02:31

burty, I am pretty sure they used to charge for the B1900 rating but dont think they do anymore. Havnt heard of any bonds either. Alot of the guys seem to start on the 406 then move across. The boys and girls there always seem happy but like everyone else they seem to be bleeding pilots at the moment with several of the near 20 either going or about to go.

Cloud Cutter 19th Sep 2007 06:29

S2K

EAK came back online last week aparently, and from what I hear, crewing is as thin as it's ever been. Don't envy the poor rostering and ops folk.


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