GA Award
 

From Pilots GA Award on AFAP Website (http://www.afap.org.au/):

13.2 Casual Employment
13.2.1 A casual pilot will be paid per flying hour at the rate of 1/800 of the annual salary prescribed for the class of work performed (including additions to salary).
13.2.2 A casual pilot will be paid in addition to the amount in 13.2.1 an amount of 25 percent for each hour.

32.2 Minimum Salaries
32.2.1 Aircraft Classification
Exert from Table 1
Single Engine UTBNI 1360kg – New Base Salary p.a. $31,489

So that means for your new commercial pilot working casually with a scenic job or skydiving should be getting paid:
31,489 X 1/800 X 25% = $49.20 per hour

My questions are:
- Does this really happen in the real world? I have heard of pilots working for a lot less to get first job.
- What does UTBNI actually mean?:confused:

Cheers Flick

Yes
 

Good operators would pay this ammount, and good pilots would be looking for it. There is also a minimum of 2 hour or four hour day payment, depending on elapsed time. There are other agreements, but they should be similar to this.
Working as a casual pilot is not very good because you too often do not get enough paid hours, so you get another job, and this interferes with your flying job.
Casual flying is really only viable if you can do work for a number of different operators and so get enough hours.


UTBNI means "up to but not including"

G.A operators (most of) in the north west pay their pilots $40 per flying hour (wheels off to wheels on).

No more no less

Yes.

I work for an operator where the Award well and truly applies. $50 per flying hour, minimum 2 hours payment if flight is under 2 hours.

As bushy says- works well if you fly your ring off, doesn't wrok so well if your not flying.

Hey guys

So looking at heading North in a few years, just checking as to what kind of pay someone could expect in a C210 these days?

Say "no" to what? An Award-paying job? Being a pilot? Joining the union?

Dude! How about you use the link shown, and the calculation you've been shown, and post your calculation here - then you can ask "is this right?", and people here will be happy to help you if you've made an error.

... but when you've been shown the link, and the calculation, and you still can't be bothered ... well :rolleyes:

Waiting for the APP.

How about someone post the current award rather than one from 14 years ago....Air Pilots Award 2020 - MA000046 (fwc.gov.au)

General comment: those wages are absurdly low, relative to living costs these days.

A disgraceful salary compared to what most trades (apprentices even!) can make or what graduates earn straight out of uni.

How can this be improved? Is there a desire from industry to improve it, or are these jobs just seen as a stepping stone to earning ok money in a big shiny jet?

This shows a complete misunderstanding of how award rates are calculated.

Firstly, nominal increases to award rates are determined each year by the Fair Work Commission. So as well as determining what the minimum wage is, the Commission also determines how much award rates increase (1.75% this year I think).

Secondly - whilst the AFAP makes submissions as to what the pay should be in the award, you equally have business arguing against any increases in pay. The last time there was a review into the Air Pilots Award, there was any number of operators stating why pilot wages shouldn’t go up. And it’s this push by the operators that we now have things like pilots being bonded for ‘reasonable expenses for training’ enshrined in the award 🙄

You knock the AFAP for negotiating the minimum wage - out of interest, what were AIPA, VIPA and the TWUs position on what the minimum rates of pay for pilots should be? Oh wait....

And whilst the Liberal party keeps appointing people like this to the Fair Work Commission, things certainly won’t get any easier for those that are employed on basic award rates (or the minimum wage):
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0210322-p57csf

But then no one really thinks about these sorts of things when they go to the ballot box.

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The "official" pilot union successfully negotiated a new base salary for highly trained individuals to be roughly min wage. Know your worth and just say no

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Min wage $19.84/hr

Single engine casual wage: $50/hr

Fake news.

Nothing has changed in the 30+ years that I’ve been involved in commercial flying, winging pilots ranting about salary and allowances.

My advice is to be smart like I did, have a plan on where you would like to be in 20 years and focus on it. Don’t just focus on being a pilot, up skill yourself in other areas outside of the cockpit. When I left full time flying I took a significant pay cut to do something different in an effort to gain experience in a different area of the industry, it payed off within 12 months and I haven’t looked back since. For me it has been like a domino effect as different opportunities are opening up very regularly.

If I want a change, I can easily get recurrent again and jump back in the cockpit.

Not exactly a fair comparison, how many Casual GA Pilots do you know of? It can definitely work in their favour but I'd wager that I could get more hours and thusly take home more per week as a casual in just about any other industry with far less effort than I could in Aviation without having already spent a great deal of time and having accumulated some very desirable and niche qualifications that people are wanting from time to time.

Per flying hour. We all know a lot more work goes into a flight then just the flying.

Hence the min hours of pay per day.

As good as useless
 

This explains why pilots sit around and say things like “The AFAP is as good as useless” when they are not a paid up member but want all the benefits, and are completely unaware of the current award in place.

They will take a job for whatever money is offered “to get experience”, agree to a bond even though “they are illegal and non binding”, fly a better aircraft for the same money “I need the time to get out of here” and all this with no written signed employment contract or idea of the current Award.

Then when they get themselves caught up in a pickle, be it an incident, a workplace issue, trying to get out of a bond, medical condition etc, they ring the AFAP to get bailed out, only to find that they need to pay to join to receive representation and the process isn’t instantaneous.

Off they skip on the bond, increasing there prevalence and amount for all coming behind them, from there it is rinse and repeat until they get into an “airline”. They begrudgingly join a union “just for the loss of licence insurance” but continue to complain about them being “as good as useless” without ever getting involved in any of the good work the union does behind he scenes.

For the small number that do put in an enormous effort on behalf of the membership, they get ostracised as “management stooges looking to climb the greasy pole”.

But come EA time, our friends are once again the most vocal about all aspects of the process, but won’t “get involved with those useless bastards”.

These are generally the vocal “NO” voters, who are more than happy to take all the good things from the EA without ever acknowledging the hard work of the members that sacrificed their time to get the EA to the table.

So, maybe you could call up whichever one you think is the least “useless”, have a chat about your current situation, even join up if you can stomach it, you never know when you might need ”help”. This “help” comes in many forms, Industrial, Technical, Pilot Assistance programs and Loss of License insurance.

Or, google your local law firm and ask them for a quote to get IR legal advice to get you out of that pickle, I can guarantee it’ll be a lot more than 1.5% of your salary.

Yes indeed, AFTER they have agreed to working for peanuts to undermine everybody else in the industry, just to get that job that they then bitch and moan about.

This is spot on 👏👏👏

Sham contracting is still quite a thing.
You can't be working under the authority of an AOC/Part 141 and be a contractor.
Fair Work is there for a reason, use it. Most employers know now that if you commit wage theft on an employee it can and should end up in court.
All CPL students should be taught about this sort of thing.