C'mon guys - it isn't rocket surgery!
Surely you have better things to do! |
Perhaps it isn't "rocket surgery" after all, seems to me to be a valid question. At least it is fun to try and answer it. :confused:
Capt F, you are correct, and re-iterate what I said, just shorter, slightly different and to the point. I started my fifth NZ logbook recently, and interestingly at the bottom of the second page it says: "Time spent in centre-line thrust aeroplanes shall not count as multi-engine time towards meeting a specific multi-engine time requirement." (CAA 1373 Rev 1: 09/2005) I always understood that to be the case but then when I looked at my old logbooks I saw the same statement that flyby kiwi said. Hmmm. This led me to the CARs, and under Part61 it is silent on the issue.:ugh: Wow. Maybe someone else can search the Rules. Far better than getting chopped :yuk: @ the local, what fun!:8 |
Sorry to bring this thread up again, but things might have changed with Part 61.
"multi‑engine aeroplane means an aeroplane that has 2 or more engines, other than: (a) a multi‑engine centre‑line thrust aeroplane; or (b) an aeroplane that is prescribed by a legislative instrument under regulation 61.050 as an aeroplane that is included in the single‑engine aeroplane class." So, with this, does that mean I must log 337 time as single-engine, or can I log it as multi-engine, but when it comes to flight reviews etc, a 337 cannot be used to maintain the Multi-Engine Class rating (or renew MECIR for instance). Thinking logically (although it is Casa), flying a 337 isn't going to be much different from any other twin in normal ops, and in general practice, how often do you get an engine failure and asymmetric operations? I can understand that in flight reviews or other flight tests, that a 337 cannot be used, as in these times, asymmetric operations are to be tested on. |
Oh good grief!!
our regulator does tie us up in knots doesn't it. I'm sure they do it just to have a laugh. Them with proper regulations call it "Multi Engine Land". I have around a hundred hours ferrying the sods of things...am I endorsed nope, aint gunna pay those ass..les for a piece of paper. |
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What the actual refernce in Part 61 to logging 337 time? Thanks |
61.020 states multi engine centre line thrust aircraft are included in the single engine aeroplane class. You only need a design feature endorsement to fly this type of aircraft.
So a 337 is a single engine aeroplane with another engine added as a design feature! |
Yes. In the event of failure of the engine, the secondary backup engine can be utilised to get you safely to the crash site.
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So then what sets apart a 337 from a conventional twin? The slim chance of the flight going asymmetric? What are the chances of that anyway.
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Back in the olden days when I was looking for an airline job, most potential employers used to state in the application criteria "xxxx hours multi engine command time (excluding centreline thrust aeroplanes)".Pretty self explanatory, really: Pushme-Pullyou time was excluded by some employers.
Having said that - in Oz I would still have logged C337 time as multi (had I flown it), but simply deducted it from my total for an employer who excluded it. |
Wonder what these guys logged. Two engines, centreline thrust, and shut one down when loitering - have to log multi for the multi part of flight, and single for the other? ;)
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And they would have been under-qualified for any reasonable flying job they went for after their service?
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"multi‑engine aeroplane means an aeroplane that has 2 or more engines, other than: (a) a multi‑engine centre‑line thrust aeroplane; or (b) an aeroplane that is prescribed by a legislative instrument under regulation 61.050 as an aeroplane that is included in the single‑engine aeroplane class." |
A pilot with an RPL is limited to aircraft with MTOW of less than 1500kg. 337 is out.
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