A couple of NSW police attended the crash investigation training in Canberra earlier this year with a view I understand to playing a more active part in accident investigation and management.

Rat****

The alternate gear system on a 210 is such that if the pumping handle hasn't jammed and you can see the mains are down then the nosewheel has to be down as well, that is how it works.

"Cessna Pilot's Association's (CPA) three-day Cessna 210 Systems and Procedures Course devotes several hours to this subject, but I will mention a few of the highlights here. UH OH! NO GREEN LIGHT. If you don't get a green light after extending the gear, the first thing to do is to visually check the landing gear position. When down and locked, the main gear tires can be seen from the cabin. However, the nosewheel is not visible to the pilot unless you install a convex landing gear mirror. A mirror is also necessary to observe the position of the main gear doors (if your plane has them). CPA sells an STC'd mirror that simply replaces one of the underwing inspection plates. If the landing gear appears completely down but there is no green light, a normal landing should be made. If the main gear is down but not quite locked, the weight of the aircraft will push the main gear legs toward the locked position. However, the nose gear retracts forward, so weight on an unlocked nose gear will tend to make it retract. Therefore, take care to hold the nose wheel off the ground as long as possible."

I guess CPA will have to modify their course now that "God" has spoken.

R:cool:

I concur with that entirely, in the case of the nosewheel not being locked but a little bit more knowledge of the alternate extension principle proves my previous post. How is it possible to crank the handle the required amount and it not jamming, seeing the mains appear locked yet the nosewheel is not? Please educate me as I didn't think it possible?

Used to fly nightfreight in a certain type which often showed only 2 or sometimes 1 green but knowing the system well enough we knew that if there was 1 green then the other 2 had to be locked down and it was just a microswitch problem.

Messiah,

A more appropriate response to RS professional comment would have been along the lines of ...

"I know you are but what am I?"

Should this not placade and confound, and RS responds again, place an additional "to infinity". This normally works for this level of conversation and should allow you to maintain your dignity.

Dog

Take the entire crew to hospital because you cannot, apparently, be interviewed there while being attended to by the medical staff.

Do not talk about the accident to anyone at all, if possible.

Do not speculate on what "must've happened" to anyone, especially the media and police. Refer the media to your boss.

Insist on food and rest (especially if you're an impoverished GA pilot.... :ok: )

DO NOT interfere with cockpit settings after the event (especially the LG lever) as they have ways of knowing what really happened.

Alert the Aussie embassy (if overseas)

If being interviewed by the pigs, I mean the cops, insist on legal representation and describe the event but do not speculate on the causes.

I have just removed the word dickwit from sundry posts...anymore and the dickwits responsible will be removed:ugh:

I don't make this ****e up I just read it out....play by the rules or don't play.


Much Ado

Heh! Look at that.

A self-cleansing forum!

R:cool:

Folks,
The authority of the police, or the limits of their authority, is not quite as simple and black and white as some seem to believe.
In particular, in Queensland in quite recent times, the Crimes Act was amended to quite specifically include aircraft in the definition of a “vehicle”.
Queensland police have acted against “the driver of a vehicle” (my words, not the legal words) when the vehicle happened to be an aeroplane. One most interesting case involved low flying.
Fundamentally, aviation is State’s Rights, the Commonwealth’s power over aviation is limited, there is a long legal history going right back to only a few years after the dawn of aviation in Australia.
Don’t be in too much of a hurry to speak with great certainty in a very uncertain area.
Tootle pip!!

NOW for the FACTS
 

The aircraft was a TERRIER 200.

This is / was a nice looking machine with great paint job and it goes / runs / flies really well.

RA-Aus registered and flown by current and legal RA-Aus pilot with passenger.

Aircraft had less than 100 hours since new.

The belt drive (Amax re-drive) belt broke in flight.

An emergency landing was made and the aircraft came to rest is a paddock after it collided with a fence.

Nobody injured and the aircraft has been retrieved and everyone is home safely.

The only mistake made was probably that someone called the police.

As for being "interviewed" by the police, they spoke to the pilot when they attended and that was about it.

Investigations are continuing into why the belt broke when it wasn't very old. This is not the first occurence of this type and unfortunately probably won't be the last.

QNH.

He should know
 

Hey QNH,

You have had your fair share of cop shop lately! (innocent dealings albeit).

So did you know the guys involved here?

J:ok:

Yes I do know those involved.

I always seem to be in the right (or is that wrong?) place at the right time.

You missed a couple!

But I gott' em for you!

Cheers

BC:8