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Stationair8 30th Jul 2011 09:04

Have Cessna, NT Government and the Bagot Road Community announced when the Bagot Road facility will be fully on line to cope with the 500 airframes ordered by Tiger for there regional airline programme?

1a sound asleep 30th Jul 2011 14:40

I dont know whoever told you a 209 was a stretched 207. That's absolute rubbish. The 208 is the caravan which is a turbine. The design was to provide a training a.c suitable for transformation from piston to jet, without the need to fly a turbo prop.

They are specifically used in training Indian pilots stepping into jets. You wont find one for private hire in Australia. Australian operators like Jetstar dont require jet time to fly an A320, like other countries

All these previous people are talking crap. I doubt they have ever seen a 209 in real life.

If you need to be prepared for flying there is a manual for sale on ebay

Cessna Model 209 JET SKYWAGON Owner's Manual | eBay



http://i51.tinypic.com/ji27ug.jpg

JMEN 31st Jul 2011 03:57

209
 
Infact so good is the 209 that Gippsland are actually trying to compete, the product looks far less superior but maybe close.

The many hours flown in the 209 are memorable, the takeoff performace as we all know was just outstanding, full load plus a bit for the boss, plus a bit for some extra bucks, 45 deg at the Rock, easy off she went...

Now will the GA10 be as good?

http://www.gippsaero.com/articles/fi...2March2011.pdf

:D

Hasherucf 31st Jul 2011 04:29

Is it true that the new 209 glass cockpit comes standard with Microsoft flight sim ? :rolleyes:

mason88 1st Aug 2011 02:04

Only in the right hand seat so the FO can rack up a few more sim hours

Stationair8 3rd Aug 2011 08:42

Cesna President of Pacific Operations, Chuck Meyer III has advised that NASA have almost completed stress testing of the first airframe and they are amazed at the strength and integrity of the recycled blue and green aluminium cans, used at the Bagot Rd facility.

Global Aviator 5th Mar 2021 02:14

Considering how aviation is moving I thought bringing the C209 thread back to life would be perfect timing.

I haven’t tried the Garmin singing suite as yet, is it as good as reported?

The 209 I saw didn’t have the 236 rear engine upgrade, it had these amazing looking engines albeit very small attached to the top of the wing at the strut attachment point. I noticed the entire upper wing to be covered in black which I assume is some kind of solar panel?

megle2 5th Mar 2021 04:10

Over 9 years since this topic was active proving how good the 209 continues as a work horse
I’ll bet there are a few airline types surprised to be back in the 209 left seat during these tough times.
Be interesting to hear how they are settling back in.


Ex FSO GRIFFO 5th Mar 2021 04:51

And with no 'Cabin Staff' to do the pre-flight emergency demo, it would be 'interesting' to see how they 'restore law and order' to the pax, prior to T/O.....
Its like sumpting they haven't had to do for a while.....
Hey Bro??

p.s. I use the 'red & green can' method meself......(Hint for new Captains).

Mach1Muppet 5th Mar 2021 05:56

Ive seen the conversions for this into a taildragger, quite a versatile aeroplane!

Stationair8 5th Mar 2021 06:09

A lot of the heavy iron guys are failing the Fright Safety Course on the Cessna C209NG, apparently to much time on the glass cockpit, lack of handling skills, no analogue experience, no mechanical sympathy and no autopilot.

One of the local CP pilots reckons, the QF, Jetstar, Virgin and Tiger pilots need to give themselves and advantage and do the GA Job Ready Awareness Course available through a VET program($25,000 plus gst). not to mention the Certificate IV in aircraft washing, Certificate IX in unapproved GA aircraft maintenance, Certificate XXII in GA CRM course and Certifiacte XIX in Maintance Release Doctoring.

Barry another NT CP, who did not want to be named, said were reluctant to put airline guys in the C209, as they weren't prepared to pay a bond and would shoot through when the airlines started recruiting again down south.

Lead Balloon 6th Mar 2021 22:11

I've heard that CASA is considering revoking the ASETPA approval for the 209NG, as a consequence of the risks arising from some of the issues touched on by Stationair8. That would be a 'body-blow' for the viability of the type in commercial operations in Australia.

Global Aviator 13th Mar 2021 21:41

Leady nah they dodged a bullet and kept ASETPA with an ULC approval addition (8 hours from land).

I was sent a copy of the GA 209 readiness awareness course and must say I was impressed with how it’s been adapted and updated.

Interestingly though I see that under Part 61/141/28.45323(z) that no type specific rating/variance training is actually required. I’d suggest to any newbies to just try and grab a couple of niner hours. These aircraft are no doubt going to dominate.

Stationair8 14th Mar 2021 01:43

Global Aviator, the C209NG is not a dinky toy GA plane this a proper type rating and needs to be flown by the numbers. It is not a quick two circuit check ride with some four stripe instructor, at your local flying school.

A copy of the training schedule, for week 1.

Day 1
1. Racism in the work place,
2. Diversity in the work place.
3. Discussion on transgender work place ethics
4. Sexual harassment and your rights.

Day 2
1. Overview on workplace diversity,
2. Discussion and focus group on reducing greenhouse gasses,
3. Overview on aboriginal heritage in General Aviation in Australia,
4. Human Resources and there role in the organisation.

Day 3
1. Introduction to gender diversity in the cockpit,
2. Focus group on empowering disabled pilots,
3. Rainbow day.

Day 4
1. Introduction to the C209NG,
2. Overview on pilot aircraft cleaning,
3. Introduction to high speed aerodynamics,
4. Pneumatic flap system and how it works.

Day 5
1. Introduction to fabric control surfaces,
2. Introduction to Cessna avionics and why they fail.


Rumour has it that Qantas will be singing an order for 100 airframes to compete with REX.










TwoFiftyBelowTen 14th Mar 2021 03:24

Interesting claim is that it is guaranteed to be impossible to stall!

............. Oh, but that is probably because it is guaranteed not to ever get airborne

megle2 14th Mar 2021 06:35

That Qantas rumour getting involved was quickly squashed as the intended 380 pilots wanted their pay adjusted up and in any case Alliance just knew it wouldn’t work for them.

j3pipercub 14th Mar 2021 07:10


Originally Posted by megle2 (Post 11008174)
That Qantas rumour getting involved was quickly squashed as the intended 380 pilots wanted their pay adjusted up and in any case Alliance just knew it wouldn’t work for them.


Stationair8 14th Mar 2021 08:02

The aircraft will be purchased outright by Alliance, crewed by displaced Qantas/Virgin flight crews subject to People and Culture interview and allowing for gender equity, the aircraft will be painted in Air Queensland, Air NSW, Air Tasmania and MMA colours.

lucille 14th Mar 2021 21:21


Originally Posted by Stationair8 (Post 11002187)
A lot of the heavy iron guys are failing the Fright Safety Course on the Cessna C209NG, apparently to much time on the glass cockpit, lack of handling skills, no analogue experience, no mechanical sympathy and no autopilot.

One of the local CP pilots reckons, the QF, Jetstar, Virgin and Tiger pilots need to give themselves and advantage and do the GA Job Ready Awareness Course available through a VET program($25,000 plus gst). not to mention the Certificate IV in aircraft washing, Certificate IX in unapproved GA aircraft maintenance, Certificate XXII in GA CRM course and Certifiacte XIX in Maintance Release Doctoring.

Barry another NT CP, who did not want to be named, said were reluctant to put airline guys in the C209, as they weren't prepared to pay a bond and would shoot through when the airlines started recruiting again down south.

Priceless. 🤣🤣🤣

Lead Balloon 14th Mar 2021 22:13

Just saw GT flying the C209NG simulator on Sunrise. Interesting to see the ballistic chute procedure and realism of the simulator.


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