Aerospace Aviation
 

Hi all,

I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything about or has studied at Aerospace Aviation? Just trying to get some background info :)

PM me or just reply to this post, cheers guys and gals:)

:confused: :confused: :confused: can you be more specific :confused: :confused: :confused:

Do you mean the organisation of that name at YSBK?

Yes, i mean the guys at Bankstown. I'm thinking of doing some training with them, and wud just like to hear from anybody who's flown there before, what are the instructors like, aircraft, that sort of thing :)

Mate,
I never trained there, however i do know 2 guys that have. They are now jumping ship to other places at Bankstown airport. They only have 10 and 23hrs each. They are dissatisfied with the outfit.
Aussie

Aussie,
What is the basis of their dissatisfaction? With such limited training under their belts, what are they comparing it to? Have they trained with another organisation?

I'm not surprised with the "jump ship". Do a search on these forums for this company and you'll see why.

Avoid them like the plague. They pay their instructors peanuts, and on substandard conditions, ie contractor when you're not a contractor (there fulltime).
You want to do a flight test? Book it for 0900, lucky to have it start by 1300 if 1 particular person is doing your test:yuk:
Be very careful with your choice. I would not choose this mob.:suspect:

i agree with doc smith.

capt fathom - you only need to be kicked in the head once to realise its dissatisfying. waiting for a comparison would make these students the fools. congratulations to them for their early decision.

flyboyUK2003,

I trained there about six years ago and found the standard of flying training and briefs to be very good. In saying that they are sausage factory and I'm sure you will find most schools at the YSBK are!.

When I was there the aircraft were well maintained and I never had any problems with them. Do they still have the PN68?

Doctor Smith is right, some instructors are contractors and dont get paid as much, this is no different from other jobs in GA. Just because your not in a higher paid flying job doesnt mean their standards have slipped all the instructors that taught me were contractors and are now flying for the White Rat or Jet*

I'd suggest doing more research into the company just remembering there not the bees knees of training schools but it got me where I am today.:ok:

Capt Fathom,

Reason they were dissatisfied, was due to it being a sausage factory...

They didnt get any quality time with the instructor and in turn didnt learn much.

There words, not mine.

Cheers

Aussie

GetOffMyBack,

I agree with you, and would be surprised that SD would allow her very high standards to slip.

Most chief pilots are interested in where their fresh new CPL's were trained.

And there is a family connection towards QF.

This school used to rank in the top 3 at BK, and I'm sure it still is up there.

Did the disappointed ones discuss their concerns with SD?

If there is a problem developing she would need to know so that she can fix it.

Voting with your feet is an effective signal to send, a frank and personal discussion is more likely to resolve any unwelcome trends.

I've used their services a number of times, good people, good aircraft, friendly family type atmosphere.

I often recommend the school to others, and hope I haven't been giving bad advice in the last year or so.

There is a very good operator at Camden to consider if the desire to bypass the sauage factory is strong.

CS

Flyboy UK
It depends on what your looking to do. I.e. PPL CPL instrument renewal. What info are you after?

I have been training there the last couple of years. Every so often instructors leave and new ones start. So old knowledge of the school may not be accurate. It is like most of your flying. You need to find an instructor that suits you. (if that is the info you looking for). There is a wide selection of instructors there. What was said about the delay in the test time is common but how often do you actually sit a test. The real relationship you should be after is with your instructor. Although company considerations obviously should play a part.

Tell me more specifically what you want and I'll be happy to give a more specific recommendation.

To the person the asked about the PN68s. Yes, Z and R are still there. going strong:ok:

Bort.

I'm not a fan of that outfit, but in fairness, if the question had been something more like 'who are the best flight schools at BK'?, it might have been a bit more sensible. Asking if Aerospace is any good is just asking for anyone who is slightly disgruntled to 'name and shame'. Be fair, they have good points and bad points - as they all do. They are one of the biggest, well established and CASA don't seem to mind them. Makes you wonder why such posts are there and where they originate from at times.....

The woman who runs it is a disorganised clown at best.

Spend your money elsewhere. It'd be nice if she got no customers AND no instructors willing to work for her. :E

...Disco

Disco,

SD

Clown no, disorganised no. Dishonest...mmmmm what do you reckon

Flyboy....please avoid like the plague.

Getofmyback said:

"I'd suggest doing more research into the company just remembering there not the bees knees of training schools but it got me where I am today."

True but may I suggest that where you are today was much more of your own doing, hard work and dedication. Perhaps even a touch of honesty and integrity. I suspect you did not learn these at "the space".

Cheers

Ok, i'll retract the clown comment, but I maintain "disorganised"!

Anyone who gets fired for turning up late if at all to lecture classes, failing to mark assessments properly and punctually, and when in lectures going on about useless tripe not relevant to the subject is "disorganised".

Then again, I'm only referring to SD, not her husband. Maybe he's the organised one.

...Disco

Organised or not, just ask qf guys who've flown with him what they think about him. :yuk:

unfortunately this is commonplace, likewise paying staff casual and requiring full time hours. Its a disgusting practice many flying schools now undertake to remain competitive. I'm supprised the government hasn't regulated this somehow, moreover monitored the many illegal activities that these operators get away with. Its a sad story because the victoms don't want to speak up for fear of a blemished record (managers in bed with bigwigs elsewhere?), and their desperation for flying hours justifies this slave labour in their eyes!

Looking at the new IR laws it seems more like the government monitored the practice of paying casual and requiring full time and thought it was a good idea!

Of course they dont call it being ripped off, they call it being flexible and I am sure that soon enough we will see how much of an advantage it is for all of us :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: