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Baldricks Mum 17th Mar 2006 08:32

Don't you worry about that turn onto downwind thingy Sunny.

You'll only cause pandemonium..Pandimoni...Pandi...Mayhem.


Low level right turn against traffic is asking for trouble in anyones book.

AerocatS2A 17th Mar 2006 11:13


Originally Posted by Sunfish
Thinking of turning right from 27 at low altitude to reposition for 18. Presumably the wind from the south west. I seem to recall reading about having a tail wind on base and getting caught on the turn to final.

Low level turns in strong winds can give the pilot a few visual illusions, maybe that's what you're thinking.

Or a turn from base to final with a tail wind on base, you will tend to fly through the extended centreline which may lead you to steepen the turn.

Sunfish 17th Mar 2006 19:14

thats exactly what I was thinking, but of course I'm merely speculating.

YYWG 18th Mar 2006 09:10

Gawd don't start it here. I would have thought gauntfish would know better!!!

The aircraft moves within the body of air, wind is relative to the ground, the aircraft isn't.

Accidents as correctly pointed out by S2A are simply the result of visual cues leading to over banking and pulling through (thus stalling).

AerocatS2A 18th Mar 2006 12:20

Sunfish was just coming from the "visual cue" angle, I don't think he was suggesting anything silly about turning downwind and losing airspeed.

Bob Murphie 19th Mar 2006 02:06

Just an observation from a previous post re mufflers. Having owned an Auster J1B and a Maule M4, I can assure you that these aircraft were manufactured and sold without mufflers, as were Tiger Moths and a plethora of others. Not having one is not a modification, having one in my case would.

Sorry, back to topic.

RV6 20th Mar 2006 08:19

Operation of Aircraft Without A Noise Cetificate
 
Cogwheel
Here is the ref you were looking for:
"Permission is hereby given for that aircraft to engage in air navigation without a noise certificate.
Permission is given under Regulation 9A(2)(a) of the Air Navigation (Aircraft Noise) Regulations, i.e. the extent to which the aircraft exceeds the aircraft noise standards is not significant.
This permission does not extend to operation of the aircraft at a curfewed airport during curfewed hours"
Extract from the letter allowing my Experimental aircraft to operate without a noise certificate. This permission must be obtained before a Special Certificate of Airworthiness is issued for an Experimental aircraft.


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