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Dupre 21st Jun 2005 11:55

I just read about the planned upgrade of Kaitaia to take Nelson's new Dash 8's...

From the Far North District Council website

"The Far North District Council has approved loan funding for the project which will provide for aircraft of up to 15,000kg in weight.

The work is designed to accommodate domestic passenger and charter flights such as the Dash 8 aircraft which Air New Zealand has indicated will be introduced to Northland commuter routes in the future."

From the Bombardier website

"The Q300 (HGW) has a maximum take-off weight of 43,000 pounds (19,505 kg)"

Is it just me, or is there a bit of a problem with the weights!? Are there different versions of the Q300 with different MTOWs?
If so, what are Nelson getting?

Cheers,

Dupre.

mattyj 22nd Jun 2005 05:51

since the one 1900 out of there daily is hardly ever full and air nz used to go in there daily with Friendships (which mustve been around the same weight as a q300) something doesnt add up there..

prospector 22nd Jun 2005 08:51

Just a bit of history about the NZKT aerodrome, some may be interested.

In the mid 70's Air North, based in Rotorua, had a daily run up to NZKO via NZAA, ANZ had a F27 overnighting in NZKT, at one stage ANZ were short of an F27 and Air North contracted to do the KO and KT run with AC680FL's DBQ and DHF. It suited everybody, we got a payload, and ANZ saved some money. However, the local travel agent was missing out on commissions, being a person of some influence in local body government, he managed to remind the Labour Government that Kaitaia had been promised a national air link until such time as a rail link was established. As this rail link was never established, ANZ had to put the F27 back on the run, dont believe they even recovered crew overnight expenses let alone made any money on the run.

Prospector

1279shp 22nd Jun 2005 21:35

ZK-NEZ
 
Interesting becos its an old - really old! - Dash 8-100 that belongs to Air National. Tat was once Ansett NZ's that the ft Ozzie managed to coozer under the Air NZ banner.

Okay maybe not so interesting...

As for ZK-NG* Air NZ might be keeping them/re-using them, for the oft rumoured -granted cew-rooms - Boing NG's that may be coming. Seeing as we got lumbered with the Bus's becos of the aforementioned Ozzie.

If we were commited the Froggie prouduct, why wouldn't we have bought some bigger ones and not gone back to Boing?

Also don't Bombardier + Boeing have big $$ tie-ups in US with defence etc.

Plas Teek 23rd Jun 2005 05:55

How about in English please?

MOR 23rd Jun 2005 06:15

That's pretty funny coming from someone with the username Plas Teek...:p

ZK-NSJ 23rd Jun 2005 07:59

didnt boeing at one time own part of the dash-8-line?

Plas Teek 24th Jun 2005 06:00

Well I couldn't use Semtex! and if I used plastic it just didn't have the same ring to it.

Raw Data 24th Jun 2005 08:57

How about plastique ??? ;)

Plas Teek 24th Jun 2005 22:30

Yeah, my wife reckoned that version, but knowing the readers of this, I guessed they would've thought it was like plast - t - q. :ok:

Chocks Away 26th Jun 2005 00:18

No, Dupre that Dash 8-300 weight is correct and even the 15,000kg is shy of the Dash-100s' MTOW (15,650kg BRW).

Yep, Boeing did own the line ZK-NSJ , now it's Bombardier.

:ok: Keep the blue up.

1279shp 26th Jun 2005 09:17

What the...
 
Okay so the last posting was lacking somewhat as far as accuracy of spelling goes. That's what co's are for!

More 'words' heard today: Boeing offered Air NZ a BIG deal on Q300, via fellow military contract partner and one time division DeHavilland/Bombardier. It was to 'help' ANZ make the right decision re long haul/medium haul acft.

Story went that once the 'Bus's can be disposed of, 6 or 7 to SJ and the rest flicked off o/seas to airlines screaming out for them - Jetstar?? - Boeing gets a phone call and next thing we're reading a headline about the acquistion of a whole bunch of 737NG's!

Hopefully or the young'uns in the crew will only have the A320 to look forward to! :{

stillalbatross 8th Jul 2005 07:37

Hopefully or the young'uns in the crew will only have the A320 to look forward to!

1279 sorry mate but you sound like just another sad little small-minded kiwi. There's nothing wrong with the A320, if you ever travelled overseas you might see quite a few airlines are actually using them. And, if you ever read anything outside of the NZ Herald you would find that there isn't any tieup with Boeing and Bombadier, in fact the Canadian company is looking pretty sick at the moment with another record year of losses.

Vmo248 9th Jul 2005 10:19

Boeing owned De Havilland in 92..
 
..selling it after a short time to Bombardier. They also had Shorts, hence the number of C-23 Sherpas in service in US military.

As for small minded, the A320 is one hell of a machine, its just that NZ is a Boeing country! :cool:

MOR 9th Jul 2005 13:30

What you mean is "New Zealand was Boeing country..."

Vmo248 11th Jul 2005 06:03

Latest NZ Aviation News has pic of NEA
 
Looks nice in the scheme.:ok:

Chocks Away 12th Jul 2005 11:44

...the last posting was lacking somewhat as far as accuracy of spelling goes. That's what co's are for! ...1279shp ???

What? If that was aimed at my post, which I think it was, I think you better do your research before opening your mouth kid.

The posts following showed you up anyway. By the way if you want some training/endorsement on them, let me know.:}

haughtney1 12th Jul 2005 14:37

Scarebus booooooooooo!...gimmie my steriod enhanced trusty 757 anyday!!!

so what if the seats arent electric.....so what if the EFIS..is more like black and white rather than colour....
At least I can do .82..and not rattle the thing to bits:D

Actually the A320 is a nice machine..pitty it doesnt come with a control yoke I say..

I wonder MOR..do you take dandruff with your coffee?...Im sure I fly with a Capt like you:E

MOR 12th Jul 2005 17:53

Hmmm... unless that was a sideways reference to Baldricks boss, I'm going to have to think about it for a bit... :p

1279shp 13th Jul 2005 09:18

Chocks Away... woah nothing at all aimed at anyone!

Yup, went OTT suggesting co's are there for picking up errors.

As for rating.... hmmmm :)


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