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I specifically remember one night walking round with a mate, jaws close to the ground and a trail of drewl, mumbling the words "Ya, Ya, Ya"...needless to say we went home alone.
WHY?
Because pilots use their personalities as birth control
P_H_F
Nice one! I'm sure that had something to do with it, although I would contribute it more to being holed up in an isolated town with nothing but FHMs, Ralphs and other forms of literature to remind us of the fine female form!
TL
Nice one! I'm sure that had something to do with it, although I would contribute it more to being holed up in an isolated town with nothing but FHMs, Ralphs and other forms of literature to remind us of the fine female form!
TL
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Euro flying
After reading these posts, and others on PPrune (Redsnail has posted some great info), I have a question about an Aussie pilot flying in the UK and Europe.
Bearing in mind that I haven't gotten past PPL stage yet, when would be the best time to consider looking at the UK?
Yes, I can get the piece of paper, but not the passport (my Mum was English - if my Dad was English, there wouldn't be a problem with getting a Pommy passport)
Would it be worthwhile going through to CPL, ATPL, and then doing the conversions, or would it be better to get the PPL and then relocate over to sunny England and continue on with training over there?
This is all hypothetical at the moment, I'm scratching to get the bucks to pay for my next hour, let alone heading over to where my money is worth a third of what it is here...
Also, does anyone have any further info on flying in Africa?
Thanks,
Louie the Fly
Bearing in mind that I haven't gotten past PPL stage yet, when would be the best time to consider looking at the UK?
Yes, I can get the piece of paper, but not the passport (my Mum was English - if my Dad was English, there wouldn't be a problem with getting a Pommy passport)
Would it be worthwhile going through to CPL, ATPL, and then doing the conversions, or would it be better to get the PPL and then relocate over to sunny England and continue on with training over there?
This is all hypothetical at the moment, I'm scratching to get the bucks to pay for my next hour, let alone heading over to where my money is worth a third of what it is here...
Also, does anyone have any further info on flying in Africa?
Thanks,
Louie the Fly
Louie,
If you have the right to live and work in the UK, which I think you do if your mother is UK. (You need your dad for the passport I think), then what about sponsorship/cadetship. It will cost you an absolute fortune if you get accepted, but the banks are quite happy to give you a loan because of your expected income. Anyway, just something to think about before you do it the long and hard way.
Good luck.
If you have the right to live and work in the UK, which I think you do if your mother is UK. (You need your dad for the passport I think), then what about sponsorship/cadetship. It will cost you an absolute fortune if you get accepted, but the banks are quite happy to give you a loan because of your expected income. Anyway, just something to think about before you do it the long and hard way.
Good luck.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Ok,
Flying in the UK/Europe. Once you get the job it's not bad at all. Although, winter's coming and we are only Cat 1 rated. Bugga!!
Yippee ice and snow....
Sponsorships/cadetships are extremely thin on the ground in the UK at the moment. So thin I think the answer is nil. Extremely competitive as well.
Visas. If you have a british or EU passport, life is good. If not, then life can be a tad tricky. If you have ancestral rights to the UK, then that is the only country you can live and work in. (Home Office recent ruling). This can restrict who will employ you. Eg Ryanair is an Irish company so you may find it difficult if not impossible to work for untill you are a British or Irish citizen. (Ironic I know). This doesn't stop you from working for easyJet (for example) however, they do prefer people that don't have any restrictions unless you have something they want. (eg jet experience!!). You can only be based in the UK.
If you are finding it hard to pay for an Australian licence then you'll find it nearly impossible to pay for a JAR licence. Get the Australian licence and start getting experience. Unless you do it all in the UK/Europe then they won't really want to know you unless you have turbine experience, in particular jet time.
Converting the licence to a JAR one is an absolute pain in the arse and frightfully expensive.
It is starting to move here at last but there's a lot of people still waiting to get a start or move up the ladder.
Flying in the UK/Europe. Once you get the job it's not bad at all. Although, winter's coming and we are only Cat 1 rated. Bugga!!
Yippee ice and snow....
Sponsorships/cadetships are extremely thin on the ground in the UK at the moment. So thin I think the answer is nil. Extremely competitive as well.
Visas. If you have a british or EU passport, life is good. If not, then life can be a tad tricky. If you have ancestral rights to the UK, then that is the only country you can live and work in. (Home Office recent ruling). This can restrict who will employ you. Eg Ryanair is an Irish company so you may find it difficult if not impossible to work for untill you are a British or Irish citizen. (Ironic I know). This doesn't stop you from working for easyJet (for example) however, they do prefer people that don't have any restrictions unless you have something they want. (eg jet experience!!). You can only be based in the UK.
If you are finding it hard to pay for an Australian licence then you'll find it nearly impossible to pay for a JAR licence. Get the Australian licence and start getting experience. Unless you do it all in the UK/Europe then they won't really want to know you unless you have turbine experience, in particular jet time.
Converting the licence to a JAR one is an absolute pain in the arse and frightfully expensive.
It is starting to move here at last but there's a lot of people still waiting to get a start or move up the ladder.
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Thanks for the info Boomerang and Redsnail (much appreciated the fact that Redsnail has covered the same ground many times in these posts, but is still ready to help).
Yes, if my Dad was English I would have a passport, but all I can get now is the "Certificate of Abode", which entitles me to live and work in the UK, and apply for a passport after n years. Similar to permanent residency here, and definately better then nothing.
So an option mught be to live and work in the UK while getting through to CPL level, whittle away the years (3 years from memory) it takes to get the passport, and then go for broke.
I've ruled myself out of a cadetship I'd imagine, by my relatively late start into aviation.
I'd much prefer to fly here in Oz, and I am optimistic about future prospects (on the whole), but keeping informed about other possible options seems like a good idea.
All the Best,
Louie the Fly
Yes, if my Dad was English I would have a passport, but all I can get now is the "Certificate of Abode", which entitles me to live and work in the UK, and apply for a passport after n years. Similar to permanent residency here, and definately better then nothing.
So an option mught be to live and work in the UK while getting through to CPL level, whittle away the years (3 years from memory) it takes to get the passport, and then go for broke.
I've ruled myself out of a cadetship I'd imagine, by my relatively late start into aviation.
I'd much prefer to fly here in Oz, and I am optimistic about future prospects (on the whole), but keeping informed about other possible options seems like a good idea.
All the Best,
Louie the Fly
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The ADF? What? Via the hold?
I've heard they are unreliable in Thunderstorms, at night, with coastal refraction and turning errors and the like. Plus that little needle gets very hard to read at times of long concentration...
Oh you mean the other ADF. Similar problems I believe....
I've heard they are unreliable in Thunderstorms, at night, with coastal refraction and turning errors and the like. Plus that little needle gets very hard to read at times of long concentration...
Oh you mean the other ADF. Similar problems I believe....
Unless you prefer swing wing.
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So GeeBeeZee,
Have you found that first job yet? Or are you driving alone on one of these roads enjoying the smell of a 2 days old meat pie?
Tell us mate....so mate meat pie lovers here...
Have you found that first job yet? Or are you driving alone on one of these roads enjoying the smell of a 2 days old meat pie?
Tell us mate....so mate meat pie lovers here...
Shame on whoever said it always rains in blighty,with me looking at 5 inch cracks in the paddock,it has rained once in the southwest in 6 weeks(but will rain for the next46).
As far as jobs are concerned you have to go where the work is at the end of the day thats why a lot of us ended up in england.
As far as jobs are concerned you have to go where the work is at the end of the day thats why a lot of us ended up in england.
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Well heard this crap before and while tenacity is required blind faith is quite another virtue. And quite frankly someone should mention that if you head to Africa you will not be lonely.As in Botswana you will have plenty of company around the pool of the Sedia hotel with all the other morose, demoralised unemployed pilots. All are told just stay around and you "may" get a job.....nice procedure. I mean the people are fine the country interesting but its not much of a procedure, is it?
Then again the whole industry is in the toilet after 9/11. I dunno but seems to me that there are not many opportunities.
And before someone gets all hot and bothered by my comments and starts with the usual drivel about how they had such a tough time when they were a boy.............blah,blah,blah. I think times have changed also.............for the worse.And yes its depressing ..........pass the gun ...........I'll pull the trigger.I eagerly await your feedback,hehehe.
Then again the whole industry is in the toilet after 9/11. I dunno but seems to me that there are not many opportunities.
And before someone gets all hot and bothered by my comments and starts with the usual drivel about how they had such a tough time when they were a boy.............blah,blah,blah. I think times have changed also.............for the worse.And yes its depressing ..........pass the gun ...........I'll pull the trigger.I eagerly await your feedback,hehehe.
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Squire,
With all respect, can I ask if you've been to Africa?
You might be correct but I think it isn't fair to post such ideas. Why? Because it's not the case for everyone. Some get lucky, some don't. At least, some do !
Please, let those who wanna make the big jump at least go with some confidence! At least they would have tried instead of expressing negative thoughts.
I'm sure many will agree.
And Squire, remember, it's start with the seed and then the flower...
FLM
With all respect, can I ask if you've been to Africa?
You might be correct but I think it isn't fair to post such ideas. Why? Because it's not the case for everyone. Some get lucky, some don't. At least, some do !
Please, let those who wanna make the big jump at least go with some confidence! At least they would have tried instead of expressing negative thoughts.
I'm sure many will agree.
And Squire, remember, it's start with the seed and then the flower...
FLM
