Small plane missing near Lucyvale Victoria
Vale Mathew
Very sad.
From the brief information from this forum was that the weather at the time of the accident was bad.
Any further word?
?CFIT in bad weather, reduced visibility.
?Mountain wave with rotor (either in flight break up due turbulence or sinking air exceeding climb capability of the Jab).
Ref: Mountain wave turbulence (atsb.gov.au)
? Engine failure with nowhere to go.
Press on itis?
Would seem that he had flown this route before?
His route was heading towards a designated remote area (bound by Mt. Franklin, Khancoban and Jamieson on its western flank) with high cumulus granitus. (I have flown YPOK to YSCB in the past (I was in a C172), I went overhead YMAY and YTMU to avoid the designated remote area and the higher ground (although the Brindabellas (between YTMU and YSCB) get quite high, 4,758 at Big Dubbo Hill). Yes this was not the direct path, but one with a lot more options (airports, refuelling points, diversion points) along the way). This assumes that you are endorsed for CTA ops, otherwise you would have to skirt around the YMAY zone (or underneath the steps) and there is not much room between the hills and the bottom the steps close into YMAY.
Under RPL, you can add endorsements, such as ops in CTA.
Apparently also a paraglider pilot, so would assume that he would be savvy about micrometeorology in the high country.
I recall that in the last twenty years that a light twin (?destination Merimbula) accident occurred in a similar area due likely icing and probable mountain wave/rotor conditions, but I have been unable to find this on the ATSB website.
Vale mathew
From the brief information from this forum was that the weather at the time of the accident was bad.
Any further word?
?CFIT in bad weather, reduced visibility.
?Mountain wave with rotor (either in flight break up due turbulence or sinking air exceeding climb capability of the Jab).
Ref: Mountain wave turbulence (atsb.gov.au)
? Engine failure with nowhere to go.
Press on itis?
Would seem that he had flown this route before?
His route was heading towards a designated remote area (bound by Mt. Franklin, Khancoban and Jamieson on its western flank) with high cumulus granitus. (I have flown YPOK to YSCB in the past (I was in a C172), I went overhead YMAY and YTMU to avoid the designated remote area and the higher ground (although the Brindabellas (between YTMU and YSCB) get quite high, 4,758 at Big Dubbo Hill). Yes this was not the direct path, but one with a lot more options (airports, refuelling points, diversion points) along the way). This assumes that you are endorsed for CTA ops, otherwise you would have to skirt around the YMAY zone (or underneath the steps) and there is not much room between the hills and the bottom the steps close into YMAY.
Under RPL, you can add endorsements, such as ops in CTA.
Apparently also a paraglider pilot, so would assume that he would be savvy about micrometeorology in the high country.
I recall that in the last twenty years that a light twin (?destination Merimbula) accident occurred in a similar area due likely icing and probable mountain wave/rotor conditions, but I have been unable to find this on the ATSB website.
Vale mathew
Malt, I may be wrong but I think there was a signet out for severe icing over the divide from Sydney south to melbourne. That is on top of low cloud, Rain (4000m or less vis), Thunderstorms, moderate turbulence and snow showers.
‘’There is no way in hell that any VFR aircraft was going to get over the divide that day. I think you might have needed an IFR aircraft capable of entering icing conditions, but I don’t know enough to know. except that it wasn’t VFR for me in the same region.
‘’There is no way in hell that any VFR aircraft was going to get over the divide that day. I think you might have needed an IFR aircraft capable of entering icing conditions, but I don’t know enough to know. except that it wasn’t VFR for me in the same region.
Sorry for the thread drift.
Me too..........
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Six fatalities including two married couples, resulting in quite a few orphaned kids. Very sad story.
Thanks for those who provided the link to the aforementioned multiple fatality:
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...aair199801415/
it was flying from Merimbula to Albury.
6 lives lost.
icing events, possible mountain wave/rotor, medical event not entirely excluded.
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...aair199801415/
it was flying from Merimbula to Albury.
6 lives lost.
icing events, possible mountain wave/rotor, medical event not entirely excluded.
Not limited to raaus. The 172 and 2 helicopters with 10 fatalities in very recent times come to mind and are possibly all looking like weather related decision making.
The ATSB should be able to tell us if the current accident trend is a statistical “blip” of no significance or an actual change in pilot behavior. The ATSB has long term records of all this stuff, don’t they? There should also be FAA/NTSB comparative data as well.
I note that the U.S. AOPA has a few videos out on weather related decision making. They make the point early that there is a big skill difference between reading a TAF or Two for a local flight and forming a valid mental picture of the weather to be encountered over say a Four hundred mile flight. I don’t think we test for the latter, at least at PPL / RAA level.
An RV (?) can take you a long way into a new weather environment in a few hours.
I note that the U.S. AOPA has a few videos out on weather related decision making. They make the point early that there is a big skill difference between reading a TAF or Two for a local flight and forming a valid mental picture of the weather to be encountered over say a Four hundred mile flight. I don’t think we test for the latter, at least at PPL / RAA level.
An RV (?) can take you a long way into a new weather environment in a few hours.
Only say that, as I met a RAA Pilot last week, who was very new to flying with a recent Jab purchase, and I was quite disturbed around the lack of weather knowledge, or the ability to even decode a TAF. INTER and TEMPO the bloke had no idea.
I think they need to tighten the bolts around RAA Navigation. Radio License should be a must for those travelling long distances, in this case it seems be 135nm, and the bloke didn't even have a radio license.
What about some form of mandatory Met exam or something, do you think that would benefit the group?
Only say that, as I met a RAA Pilot last week, who was very new to flying with a recent Jab purchase, and I was quite disturbed around the lack of weather knowledge, or the ability to even decode a TAF. INTER and TEMPO the bloke had no idea.
I think they need to tighten the bolts around RAA Navigation. Radio License should be a must for those travelling long distances, in this case it seems be 135nm, and the bloke didn't even have a radio license.
Only say that, as I met a RAA Pilot last week, who was very new to flying with a recent Jab purchase, and I was quite disturbed around the lack of weather knowledge, or the ability to even decode a TAF. INTER and TEMPO the bloke had no idea.
I think they need to tighten the bolts around RAA Navigation. Radio License should be a must for those travelling long distances, in this case it seems be 135nm, and the bloke didn't even have a radio license.
Whilst you’re at it, see if you can get casa to tighten the bolts on pilots flying without valid AFR’s and medicals and let us know when it’s going to happen!
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I don't think you need a radio license when you operate under RAA with a Nav endorsement? Happy to be corrected.
What about some form of mandatory Met exam or something, do you think that would benefit the group?
Only say that, as I met a RAA Pilot last week, who was very new to flying with a recent Jab purchase, and I was quite disturbed around the lack of weather knowledge, or the ability to even decode a TAF. INTER and TEMPO the bloke had no idea.
I think they need to tighten the bolts around RAA Navigation. Radio License should be a must for those travelling long distances, in this case it seems be 135nm, and the bloke didn't even have a radio license.
Only say that, as I met a RAA Pilot last week, who was very new to flying with a recent Jab purchase, and I was quite disturbed around the lack of weather knowledge, or the ability to even decode a TAF. INTER and TEMPO the bloke had no idea.
I think they need to tighten the bolts around RAA Navigation. Radio License should be a must for those travelling long distances, in this case it seems be 135nm, and the bloke didn't even have a radio license.
Last edited by Cloudee; 17th Oct 2022 at 09:29.
A RA-Aus Radio Operator endorsement permits the holder to operate approved aeronautical frequency VHF radio equipment installed in or used in conjunction with a recreational / light sport aircraft.
”Generally” speaking, you may possibly earn this endorsement after completing a dual nav. That may explain any confusion.
Some of the confusion may also come from the RPC "Class G only" restriction.. Since you don't need a radio to fly in Class G, some may be tempted to think you don't need a radio license either.
He had an accelerated 15 hours of training. His fiancee has a pilots licence but refused to fly with him as she thought he was too dangerous. She believed he didn't understand sufficiently the difference between paragliding and a powered light plane. His flight instructor promised too much in too short a time. The instructor has since died, so no threat of a libel suit of anyone wants to comment.
Inquest reported in the 'Hun.
Inquest reported in the 'Hun.