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Old 20th Jul 2022, 02:09
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE View Post
Darwin in on the act too. TIBA at night, just when all the arrivals and departures happen. This country really is a third world sh*t hole where you can drink the water.
if and when something does happen (smoking hole in the ground) you watch the airline's, ASA and CASA blame covid, or use the magic words "pilot / controller error." They'll get off free while at we are left to pick up the pieces... (Assuming we are not part of that smoking hole in the ground).
Darwin ATC is provided by the RAAF, who through complete ineptitude somehow donít have enough controllers there even though they have the luxury of posting whoever they want whenever they wanít.

If the only 24/7 ATC unit in the Air Force canít be prioritised one would have to wonder where all the spare bodies have been sent.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 05:16
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island View Post
they have the luxury of posting whoever they want whenever they want.
That is an extremely bold assumption that doesn't take into account the realities of retention, recruitment and training requirements.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 10:01
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That was pointed out in the original post. If you can't see the point after reading it, then I'm not sure I can explain it more clearly for you.
No you firstly commented on Airservices lack of service, and it's safety implications, and then conflated that with the Airport situation of requiring visitors to reception to jump through some hoops.
Gold Coast Airport Authority has taken the petty "safety" bureaucracy to the next level.
The fact that the airport continues to enforce the rules forced on it by various governmental agencies has what relationship to the status of the airspace? They unfortunately don't have the option of "Oh we're a bit short staffed, so we're just going to leave the gates open for a while".
If you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass, yet everyone else in the industry has to abide by the rules irrespective, it would not have come across as just a rant against perceived GC pettiness.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 23:24
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
If you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass, yet everyone else in the industry has to abide by the rules irrespective, it would not have come across as just a rant against perceived GC pettiness.
In this regard Auditor-General Report No. 28 2021Ė22 Performance Audit makes interesting reading.

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Old 20th Jul 2022, 23:48
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Or, more accurately, if you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass and ATSB give both a free pass...

Mutual protection racket.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 00:36
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We also have to ask what penalties does ASA suffer for not supplying what is a safety sensitive service. Shouldn't there be stiff fines to ensure it has 100% coverage, enough to ensure they employ and pay controllers enough even for unexpected sickness. As for a tower service reverting to CTAF not affecting safety, why is there an expensive tower in the first place? This was happening BEFORE covid, regular patches in controller coverage even at Sydney and Melbourne. To blame covid alone is completely bogus. It's an employment pay and conditions argument, pure and simple, ASA does not employ and retain enough controllers so they have holes in the system.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 07:45
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
We also have to ask what penalties does ASA suffer for not supplying what is a safety sensitive service. Shouldn't there be stiff fines to ensure it has 100% coverage, enough to ensure they employ and pay controllers enough even for unexpected sickness. As for a tower service reverting to CTAF not affecting safety, why is there an expensive tower in the first place? This was happening BEFORE covid, regular patches in controller coverage even at Sydney and Melbourne. To blame covid alone is completely bogus. It's an employment pay and conditions argument, pure and simple, ASA does not employ and retain enough controllers so they have holes in the system.
Correct. A monopoly provider being squeezed to provide the "service" as cheaply as possible (affordable safety) and a $$ return to the government (dividend). Airservices Australia - mmm, maybe Lipservices (to safety) Australia?
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 12:57
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Retired a while now from Cairns ATC. We had a contingency plan for when either Tower &/or Approach service was not available. I know of 2 occasions when Tower was not available and the plan was put into action. NOTAM issued requiring pilots to phone for a briefing on procedures to follow - e.g. set course time, when to call Approach for clearance etc. Pilots followed procedures well and all worked quite well, apart from longer delays than normal. We also did a post event washup (incl with industry) to ascertain what could be improved. I am sure Gold Coast ATC would have something similar in place.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 03:13
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We had a contingency plan for when either Tower &/or Approach service was not available.
Isn't the contingency plan for airspace without ATC the same everywhere? Isn't it called "G"?
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 21:42
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Did we add SYD CTAF yesterday?
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 22:00
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Or, more accurately, if you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass and ATSB give both a free pass...
Wouldn't all be under the same minister would they?
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 23:54
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oh dear. Operational restrictions, what a fine euphemism that is.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 00:32
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Not quite the same as during peak hours, that looks like curfew hours only.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 03:03
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
Isn't the contingency plan for airspace without ATC the same everywhere? Isn't it called "G"?
Nope, in the case of the capital city CTRs the surrounding airspace is designated a Temporary Restricted Airspace.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 03:51
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
Not quite the same as during peak hours, that looks like curfew hours only.
Was still a pain and a joke.
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 09:58
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Nope, in the case of the capital city CTRs the surrounding airspace is designated a Temporary Restricted Airspace.
So a failure to provide service is wrapped in nice shiny paper, and then we pretend there is still some form of service being provided.
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 13:37
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
So a failure to provide service is wrapped in nice shiny paper, and then we pretend there is still some form of service being provided.
No service, no pay. I'm sure the operators get a discount on the Terminal Nav charges...
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 04:10
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
No you firstly commented on Airservices lack of service, and it's safety implications, and then conflated that with the Airport situation of requiring visitors to reception to jump through some hoops. The fact that the airport continues to enforce the rules forced on it by various governmental agencies has what relationship to the status of the airspace? They unfortunately don't have the option of "Oh we're a bit short staffed, so we're just going to leave the gates open for a while".
If you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass, yet everyone else in the industry has to abide by the rules irrespective, it would not have come across as just a rant against perceived GC pettiness.
I also literally said it was a rant against gold coast airport pettiness. Do you always start rage typing against a post before reading it in its entirety? Anyway it is a good sign a thread has run its course when it degenerates into pedants having a go at something which is pretty straight forward. No doubt if someone posted the sky was blue there would be 50 replies by pilots explaining why this may or may not be the case, how back in their day the sky was bluer, young pilots today don't know what blue is, and the CAR's and CAO's are very poorly written as to when the blue stops and the violet begins.
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 08:08
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I didn't rage type anything. That's what rant typists do. I read your post in its entirety. It didn't make sense.
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 02:06
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Apparently QF won't operate in Class G now due insurance. So CG more likely to be TRA from now on to allow BN CEN to permit clearances in and out one at a time when the TWR has insufficient controllers - oops, I meant, when due OPN RQMNT.
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