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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 18:39
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Oh, I didn't say it was smart. I don't think you'll find it in any current manuals as SOP.

... but if you were flying a freight Westwind in the 80s or 90s then that's pretty much how you flew. No Flight Data Monitoring. Very little in the way of training or checking. No GPS or TCAS either, for all that. No moving map displays.
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 23:41
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Originally Posted by Brakerider View Post
Melbourne is a great example. Min speed to achieve a time at the feeder fix, only to be asked to fly max speed to the field
Don't know Melbourne specifically, but this does make sense when the idea is get everyone in trail (slow down or hold) and then keep everyone at same spacing with allowance for deceleration compression. Done to great effect in places like EGLL. This will get more prevalent with the newer ICAO wake turbulence matrix. Will require an on screen computer shadow and MODE-S speed input from the aircraft to work effectively. Let us hope there are no 1/2 arsed exemptions.

Only necessary where acceptance)demand rate is under pressure - which is more and more everywhere at peak times
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 00:59
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Chimbu is spot on here, most of the time its not an issue however some jets (not mentioned) when light can have a very difficult time in slowing from 160 at 4NM to meet the company approach criteria of final config and within Vapp/ Vref+ criteria.
I worked for a group that had quite a lot of FDAP pings in that space simply because of aircraft type and trying to meet ATC requirements and those of the company. On the odd occasion that we were allowed to fly it like you stole it 350 to about 9nm was the best I ever saw with the boards out most of the way down the pipe and chucking out everything as we got to the limits and final config (not speed) was achieved at about 600 agl
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Checkboard View Post
Oh, I didn't say it was smart. I don't think you'll find it in any current manuals as SOP.

... but if you were flying a freight Westwind in the 80s or 90s then that's pretty much how you flew. No Flight Data Monitoring. Very little in the way of training or checking. No GPS or TCAS either, for all that. No moving map displays.
YA PUSSY! ya supposed to select fuel cut off at ten miles and do it.
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 00:05
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Originally Posted by Checkboard View Post
Oh, I didn't say it was smart. I don't think you'll find it in any current manuals as SOP.

... but if you were flying a freight Westwind in the 80s or 90s then that's pretty much how you flew. No Flight Data Monitoring. Very little in the way of training or checking. No GPS or TCAS either, for all that. No moving map displays.
A hint as to why one smacked the ridge at Alice Springs and killed two pilots.
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