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Cessna Citation off the runway at Bankstown

Old 8th Mar 2022, 05:58
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Cessna Citation off the runway at Bankstown

A citation off the runway at Bankstown today, no damage apparent except a very sodden pilot.
For sure the runway is a tad damp, but it doesn't appear like an overrun.
I've heard reports from pilots of severe turbulence generated from the industrial warehouses affecting safety
wonder if this contributed in any way?

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Old 8th Mar 2022, 06:04
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Considering the weather pattern hovering over Sydney the last few days you will have bugger all chance of blaming a building, warehouse or whatever. More likely was hit by down, up, cross, tail or swirling winds from a cell of some sort, combined with aquaplaning on the river that runways used to be in NSW and QLD.
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Not so sure I agree with you 43.

I've read studies from the USA that large warehouse structures can
create rotors that travel over a Km from the buildings with just a 15Kt breeze.
Considering the size and close proximity to runways at Bankstown I thing it is
very plausible that hazardous wind rotors could pose a severe safety hazard.
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I agree with the idea that they can produce turbulent conditions on their own. However, given the conditions in Sydney proving it was a building and not just the very poor weather is what I'm getting at. If it happened to be just wind on a sunny day, maybe it would be looked at more, but with all the stuff going on I'd hazard a guess this may just be a wet runway and extra speed due to the inclement weather, maybe a bit of get it on the ground.
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Well that saves the ATSB a trip!
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Doubt the ATSB would have had more than a cursory glance at a runway excursion in a private jet with minimal damage and no injuries. Unless it was obvious there was a new way found to do it that hasn't been looked at yet.

Just watched another clip of it, seems like it just slid off the taxiway in heavy wind/rain, not a landing event.
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 23:51
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I know the runway and the aircraft well. Bankstown runways are the worse that I know of, for standing water. With all the rain, I've no doubt the runways had LOTS of standing water, and braking (it does have ABS) would be poor.
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Should have used Full Reverse
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Bit of ‘aquaplaning’….no braking ?.
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Should have used Full Reverse
Never flew a Citation with reverse.
Did this particular Citation have reverse?
If not, was the drag chute deployed?
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Should have used the hook and arrestor wires.
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Old school. These days it's better to switch to VTOL. Fitted to all models of the Citation from X onwards.
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