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Old 20th Jan 2022, 09:04
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US ATPL coming to Oz for busman's holiday

An ATPL friend of mine in the United States is contemplating an outback mini-tour for a couple of weeks, hiring some kind of light aircraft. Not fussy what, he's flown everything and is highly adaptable. ATPL qualified with an ICAO card - can he use those to fly a VH-registered aircraft or does he have to jump hoops to get Aus equivalents? Not contemplating major airports, mainly bush strips with fuel. Not that I expect that will make much difference.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 09:19
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Used to be an AFR type flight and off you go. Easiest to just ask the mob he intends to hire off or give CASA a direct shout, pretty sure the website has info on it.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 20:17
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an ICAO card
Not familiar with this - can you please explain?
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 21:53
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The information you need to obtain a Certificate of Validation is HERE.

I suggest your friend commence applying for an Australian Certificate of Validation at least one or two years ahead of his planned visit and expect to be frustrated by professionals. I haven't read the current requirements but will probably to require a Certificate of Competency in English, a Class 2 Medical Certificate from a CASA approved Doctor, an ASIC Card and he may find birth certificates from at least five generations of antecedents also helpful.

We can't have these unqualified foreign pilots flying in our Aussie air space!!
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 22:05
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The information you need to obtain a Certificate of Validation is HERE.

I suggest your friend commence applying for an Australian Certificate of Validation at least one or two years ahead of his planned visit and expect to be frustrated by professionals. I haven't read the current requirements but will probably to require a Certificate of Competency in English, a Class 2 Medical Certificate from a CASA approved Doctor, an ASIC Card and he may find birth certificates from at least five generations of antecedents also helpful.

We can't have these unqualified foreign pilots flying in our Aussie air space!!
Thanks for the link. Sounds like we don't want the tourism business, really, doesn't it?

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Old 20th Jan 2022, 22:09
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Sounds like there’s an opportunity for a syndicate to purchase an N reg 172 or similar to be based in Aus for FAA pilots to fly, or similar in the US with a VH aircraft based in the US.

I wonder what the interest levels would be in such a venture!
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 22:22
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Originally Posted by chimbu warrior View Post
Not familiar with this - can you please explain?
It's an ID card that's recognised by ICAO. He's a part-time corporate pilot for a US family and flies their G550 from the US to wherever they want to go, usually European capital cities and resorts. He tells me it's the only ID card he needs to access airside for walkrounds etc.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 22:25
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Sounds like there’s an opportunity for a syndicate to purchase an N reg 172 or similar to be based in Aus for FAA pilots to fly
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Then they'd make the owners set up a discrete AOC (which apparently doesn't exist any more but really does) with key personnel, manuals etc which would have to be renewed every year ... would be a walk in the park for sure. Our world-class system is a wondrous thing.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 22:35
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Originally Posted by tail wheel View Post
The information you need to obtain a Certificate of Validation is HERE.

I suggest your friend commence applying for an Australian Certificate of Validation at least one or two years ahead of his planned visit and expect to be frustrated by professionals. I haven't read the current requirements but will probably to require a Certificate of Competency in English, a Class 2 Medical Certificate from a CASA approved Doctor, an ASIC Card and he may find birth certificates from at least five generations of antecedents also helpful.

We can't have these unqualified foreign pilots flying in our Aussie air space!!
That information only applies to stays of longer than 12 months or an intention to work while in Australia, from the header notes anyway. Pretty sure its just apply for a PPL conversion/CoV by correspondence, not sure you need an ASIC though if not intending to use security controlled airports.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Pearly White View Post
He tells me it's the only ID card he needs to access airside for walkrounds etc.
That would be for his current job, would not be able to use that for flying a light aircraft in Australia. Foreign crew in Australia cannot access airside with their ICAO crew certificate, they have to get someone with an ASIC to give them entry, and at time also escort them.

That is the knee jerk reaction made in Australia post 9-11.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 02:56
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He'll need to get a Certificate of Validation from CASA, an ASIC and then a flight review.
Difficult but not impossible to apply for an ASIC from overseas.
AS for whether he would get through the international border, fully vaccinated but not sure if visas are available for holiday makers yet.

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Old 21st Jan 2022, 03:28
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Originally Posted by Arm out the window View Post
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Then they'd make the owners set up a discrete AOC (which apparently doesn't exist any more but really does) with key personnel, manuals etc which would have to be renewed every year ... would be a walk in the park for sure. Our world-class system is a wondrous thing.
You saying this brings me joy TB. Keep up the good fight mate and don't give up until you're at the top of that organisation and have made sweeping changes.
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Difficult but not impossible to apply for an ASIC from overseas.
Are you sure? Would love to hear how!?
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