Pel Air to run NSW Air Ambulance
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Very true, and the accident rate for aeromedical operators is extraordinarily high. At one point HEMS crew was the #1 most dangerous job in the USA. Will Australia go the same way? When you can ditch an aeromedical jet in the Pacific then pick up a state aeromedical contract only two years later, that suggests it will. A race to the bottom for conditions will produce the same result here. Ambulance NSW will have to wear the disruption associated with crew churn, unservicabilies and safety issues. The USA has a pilot shortage at this level for very good reason.
When you can ditch an aeromedical jet in the Pacific then pick up a state aeromedical contract only two years later, that suggests it will
You make it sound like the RFDS has never had any incidents.....
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...aair200302172/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...system/8698592
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...aair200302172/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...system/8698592
You make it sound like the RFDS has never had any incidents.....
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...aair200302172/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...system/8698592
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...aair200302172/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...system/8698592
That said, hopefully they have lifted their game. Time will tell.
Last edited by Trojan1981; 14th Jan 2022 at 00:14.
Yes Morno....................In a state the size of NSW. Firstly, do some googling, 5 B350s then one to be replaced by two PC24s.
And why does that seem an overkill? Confirm airmed run a bunch of Mustangs out of Bankstown? And have done so for a long time
And why does that seem an overkill? Confirm airmed run a bunch of Mustangs out of Bankstown? And have done so for a long time
You’re not doing primary retrievals, you’re doing inter-hospital transfers. The patients in 99.95% of cases are stable and not needing jet like responses.
Jets would purely be a waste of money. But it looks like that’s what they’ve done. How’s Pel Air’s history of operating aeromed in jets again?
Geez morno. You really are a knob. The ambulance service does do lots of primary transfers. Lots. Secondly, Pelair don't pick the aircraft, answ do. Yep, a westwind went diving, but on your logic of no company can ever improve, or can never build a safety record again, best shut down Qantas (qf1) and many other major operators.
I think the experience with Central and Western RFDS was that the PC12 was a quicker machine than the PC24, patients on to patients off, on sectors up to 300ish nm. All the time saved with an extra 150 knots gets lost in longer loading, start flow and checklists. Assume that would translate to PC24 vs. 350 too?
I think the experience with Central and Western RFDS was that the PC12 was a quicker machine than the PC24, patients on to patients off, on sectors up to 300ish nm. All the time saved with an extra 150 knots gets lost in longer loading, start flow and checklists. Assume that would translate to PC24 vs. 350 too?
However, if you and others think that time and speed are the only things that matter you couldn’t be more wrong.
Patient comfort and ability to avoid weather are on another planet compared to any turboprop.
Not to mention space for the medical team to work in.
When transporting critically ill people, what’s that worth?
Geez morno. You really are a knob. The ambulance service does do lots of primary transfers. Lots. Secondly, Pelair don't pick the aircraft, answ do. Yep, a westwind went diving, but on your logic of no company can ever improve, or can never build a safety record again, best shut down Qantas (qf1) and many other major operators.
And did I say anything about Pel Air choosing the aircraft? No, I don’t believe I did. Of course NSW Ambulance are the ones who stipulates what they want in their contract. Doesn’t mean I can’t comment on it though.
Now are you finished with the name calling?
You are quite right. IMO only 400nm and longer makes any real difference in terms of time with the jet.
However, if you and others think that time and speed are the only things that matter you couldn’t be more wrong.
Patient comfort and ability to avoid weather are on another planet compared to any turboprop.
Not to mention space for the medical team to work in.
When transporting critically ill people, what’s that worth?
However, if you and others think that time and speed are the only things that matter you couldn’t be more wrong.
Patient comfort and ability to avoid weather are on another planet compared to any turboprop.
Not to mention space for the medical team to work in.
When transporting critically ill people, what’s that worth?
But I agree - turboprops in the form of King Airs and PC12s will and should be the mainstay into the future.
They do what they do exceptionally well, but there is a place for the jets in the mix too.
I cant really see any disadvantage to the PC-24 except some strips the Kingair may be better suited to. Modern jet, what extra time does it need to prepare and get under way than a similar sized turbo-prop? Once airborne it will be faster en-route and it doesn't suffer the slow downs of commercial traffic if its operating medical priority. If you are comparing two airliners fair enough, but even then these days a 737 can get airborne not much slower than a dash-8 from start of taxi, most of the delay is just securing the cabin. And as said above the jet will have far better weather avoidance and altitude capabilities, as well as better prioritisation when not on medical priority. Pretty sure a medivac from Broken Hill to Sydney or Melbourne would be noticeably faster in the PC-24 than any turboprop. It also gives the opportunity to fly the patient closer to the specialist, or the specialist to the patient faster and in more comfort to get prepared. BTW the PC-24 is designed for these ops, it's not some 40 year old airframe re-jigged for aeromed.
If money was not a consideration I'd get V-22s, huge cabin, lands vertically, same max speed as the B-360, but can deliver the patient direct to the hospital. Might shake them up a bit though.
If money was not a consideration I'd get V-22s, huge cabin, lands vertically, same max speed as the B-360, but can deliver the patient direct to the hospital. Might shake them up a bit though.