Aircraft down off Redcliffe
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yes that was my thought too. Doesn’t seem to be anyone recording Redcliffe CTAF on liveatc, wonder if he had a chance to get a call out.
From ABC
The pilot was a 69-year-old man, with police saying they believe it was a booked joy flight
RIP
Thoughts go out to rescue crews, family, friends and all at Redcliffe Airport.
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This is appalling. It looks like the front of the aircraft is extensively damaged, so possibly not a controlled ditching.
Firstly, this is a tragedy for the families and friends, traumatic for the rescue personnel and may the deceased RIP.
Perhaps there are some lessons to be learned which may come to light after a proper investigation. In the meantime, knowlege of the runway in use could provide a time factor and possible thought process. The wind on 19th appears to favour 07. The crash site appears to be adjacent to the wetlands area, approximately 1nm NW of the airport. The direction of flight prior to impact can't be definitively determined from the inverted resting site, but may have been from a westerly heading. The gear is down. The flaps appear to be retracted. This would appear a less than ideal configuration for a planned ditching or energy management.
Stall/spin? I'd doubt the later due to the apparent damage from energy disipation. A proper investigation will be more telling.
Radio call? Bottom of the priority list, but if given may relay intent/ highlight priority management.
A sad situation. Let's wait for the formal report.
Perhaps there are some lessons to be learned which may come to light after a proper investigation. In the meantime, knowlege of the runway in use could provide a time factor and possible thought process. The wind on 19th appears to favour 07. The crash site appears to be adjacent to the wetlands area, approximately 1nm NW of the airport. The direction of flight prior to impact can't be definitively determined from the inverted resting site, but may have been from a westerly heading. The gear is down. The flaps appear to be retracted. This would appear a less than ideal configuration for a planned ditching or energy management.
Stall/spin? I'd doubt the later due to the apparent damage from energy disipation. A proper investigation will be more telling.
Radio call? Bottom of the priority list, but if given may relay intent/ highlight priority management.
A sad situation. Let's wait for the formal report.
I like that, you’ve told us what it isn’t based on your opinion but yet you’re telling us to wait for the report??
Electrically powered hydraulic power pack, similar to most of the other single engine retractables. I’m pretty sure the system would struggle to retract the gear if the alternator wasn’t pumping out it’s normal output.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
Last edited by Duck Pilot; 20th Dec 2021 at 10:07.
Electrically powered hydraulic power pack, similar to most of the other single engine retractables. I’m pretty sure the system would struggle to retract the gear if the alternator wasn’t pumping out it’s normal output.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
If this was an EFATO it may have just been a lot of bad luck. Low, comparatively heavy with four up, no options except to land straight ahead. You get one chance to execute it as best you can while your heart climbs up into your throat. My grandfather died in not dissimilar conditions. I feel for all concerned.
There seems to be a lot of focus on that it was an EFATO, the news reports don't say much other than it went down behind the mangroves out of sight and then was later found by another aircraft in the circuit. Could have been numerous things, incapacitation, EFATO, other control failure, who knows. Unless the airframe failed, which does not look likely, then aircraft age and (old) history have almost nothing to do with it. Looks like the rear underside of the fuselage took quite a beating in the sequence so it may not have initially hit inverted. In any case ATSB will figure it out at some point.
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The 114 has a very lazy hydraulic pump that only allows basically 1 main gear retraction at a time.
i always taught my students to obtain a positive rate of climb and pull the gear in. As I said the 114 glides like a brick with the gear out. A great load carrier but with a ZFW, two cabin doors but aerodynamically a bit of a sled 145kts downhill out of an IO540.
i always taught my students to obtain a positive rate of climb and pull the gear in. As I said the 114 glides like a brick with the gear out. A great load carrier but with a ZFW, two cabin doors but aerodynamically a bit of a sled 145kts downhill out of an IO540.
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Circuit direction at Redcliffe is always over the water, 07 left hand 25 right hand, so not an intentional trip over the water, it just how it is there. 07 departures you will normally be over the water by the time you reach 500ft.
