Are we losing interest ? What's happening ?
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maybe not exactly 10yrs, but enough for an Undergrad degree and Phd in unrelated field.
but like the faces around the airfields, not enough young ones, or more pilots have become like me, just fly, enjoy, put aircraft away, tinker a bit, keep your head down lest CASA come and smite thee, and go home.
but like the faces around the airfields, not enough young ones, or more pilots have become like me, just fly, enjoy, put aircraft away, tinker a bit, keep your head down lest CASA come and smite thee, and go home.
I did, how rude eh! but seriously there is no-one left, certainly none older than me still there, so many have passed or moved on. That's life.
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enough for an Undergrad degree and Phd in unrelated field.
Once worked with another Pilot in PNG who had a Phd in Geology, specifically the formation of the Flinders Ranges.
Got to read his thesis too. Most interesting.
Sandy Reith; A very well argued post!
Maybe our new Minister Barnaby Joyce has told them to fix the mess?
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Mod intervention seems to be lacking on those occasions, and now the outcome is all too obvious.
I bet certain airlines are pleased.
US:- $15.99 book with index. Training (or Charter) USA. Teach flying? Start immediately with this book and your instructor rating. Part 141/142 optional but easy enough with FAA template.
Oz, our CASASTROPHE:-
Negotiated, edited library $thousands, months or years, maybe permissible eventually, or not.
No interest? We’ve lost hundreds of flying schools.
Thank you Pinky, after some thirty years of watching, often with despair, hope is in short supply but there’s no giving up.
This thread starts with postulating a lack of interest, of course with GA battered and bruised and many having simply walked away then its not surprising. With a rational regulatory environment the GA industry could easily be two or three times it’s present truncated size with a number of important benefits. Training sufficient pilots for commercial ops, when they come back, maintenance and manufacturing opportunities and a boost for private GA which has languished with debilitating and unnecessary stringencies around medicals, maintenance and ASICs. The latter three items being especially harsh for those who live in the outback.
It represents the fortune made by people on 6 figure salaries who've taken decades to produce the pile of regulatory dross.
Why is it that bureaucracy appears to function primarily on the obfuscation of details. Now you may say that is to make their six figure salaries relevant and give them a feeling of importance.Unfortunately given that most of these people, in a position of power, that adjudicate these things have no idea, in this case aviation, of which way is up.
In a previous post on this thread I said:
Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
Every thread doesn't have to come back to how it's all CASA's fault (even if that is the case).
Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
In a previous post on this thread I said:
Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
I also would like posts to be about the fun of flying and the shared experiences but with the good comes.........
I'm hearing you, the fun in flying ended on 9/11/2001 when that bullet proof door was installed. But this is a GA Forum and in my experience all the fun was when we were not flying. They were the good days, many a good story told from the Top End.
Darwin had a Cage Bar you know, that should kick it off....
Darwin had a Cage Bar you know, that should kick it off....
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Yet here we are again. So to answer the original question posed, this is what turns me off personally. It always comes back to complaints about the regulator and that bores me to tears. I would much rather talk about aircraft and the pleasure of aviation.
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One of these was whilst training a chap who happened to be a Barrister ( with obviously too many spare neurons) and going through CAO, CAA and the ABC’s said Barrister made the comment “I can hardly decipher this sh*T.
He also pointed out several direct contradictions in the ANR's.
His parting comment was that they were obviously written by a Lawyer who specialised in legalese and pettifoggery!
G'Day Mr Pinky..................
That shud read 'Pettibuggery', ......Sir....."Please excuse me whilst I give U the 'Royal Pineapple' treatment.".........................................
NO Cheers 'ere...NOPE...NONE at all.......
Nice to see ya still 'Vertical'....Cheeeerrrsss...
That shud read 'Pettibuggery', ......Sir....."Please excuse me whilst I give U the 'Royal Pineapple' treatment.".........................................
NO Cheers 'ere...NOPE...NONE at all.......
Nice to see ya still 'Vertical'....Cheeeerrrsss...
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To us older (?) folk it seems indeed that the priorities are elsewhere these days as casual observation of the forum suggests that its use and the participation of some regulars is somewhat less than it was a year or so ago.
As one might expect the culture changes and is perhaps 'different' every decade. It is now obvious that many of the long-term participants in this forum have retired completely and don’t visit any more or perhaps are ‘observers only’. Some recent threads in the past would have generated significant discussion, but that does not seem to occur that much now (??).
At least one other aviation forum seems to have only a small number of vocal participants on subjects that are most likely of personal interest and do not generate wide discussion.
Of course, there is good old Facebook, in which some of the many ‘Groups’ have significant discussion on specific subjects eg: old aircraft, history etc.
Things might change, but we will just have to hang in to see how it pans out. The upside is that we know that many of the decision makers make it their business to keep a finger on the prune pulse, which can only be a good thing (saves writing to the Minister!)
As one might expect the culture changes and is perhaps 'different' every decade. It is now obvious that many of the long-term participants in this forum have retired completely and don’t visit any more or perhaps are ‘observers only’. Some recent threads in the past would have generated significant discussion, but that does not seem to occur that much now (??).
At least one other aviation forum seems to have only a small number of vocal participants on subjects that are most likely of personal interest and do not generate wide discussion.
Of course, there is good old Facebook, in which some of the many ‘Groups’ have significant discussion on specific subjects eg: old aircraft, history etc.
Things might change, but we will just have to hang in to see how it pans out. The upside is that we know that many of the decision makers make it their business to keep a finger on the prune pulse, which can only be a good thing (saves writing to the Minister!)
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because r/flying and r/aviation exists
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Also as the first few replies mentioned this forum just feels more old school, so young people (I mean new users) won't be drawn in that easily. Older generations go onto pprune and read 5000 word essays , while younger generations are more drawn to a casual chat on Discord. Young aviation lovers are still significant in number, just that instead of making an account here they just join an aviation related Discord server or watch a pilot YouTuber, none of which will expose them to 5000 word essays and "boomer humor" on a daily basis. A very good representation of this is memes - for a starter on how different generations are go watch some kracc bacc or shidbot420 on YouTube then compare these videos to Facebook memes. (friendly reminder: do not wear headphones)
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Also as the first few replies mentioned this forum just feels more old school, so young people (I mean new users) won't be drawn in that easily. Older generations go onto pprune and read 5000 word essays , while younger generations are more drawn to a casual chat on Discord. Young aviation lovers are still significant in number, just that instead of making an account here they just join an aviation related Discord server or watch a pilot YouTuber, none of which will expose them to 5000 word essays and "boomer humor" on a daily basis. A very good representation of this is memes - for a starter on how different generations are go watch some kracc bacc or shidbot420 on YouTube then compare these videos to Facebook memes. (friendly reminder: do not wear headphones)
Sandy's photo has been used before as has a similar argument put by one D Smith many years ago complaining about the enormity of amendments and maps...all supplied FOC...that he and his chief pilot had to wade through every cycle. However, MCCoates has a point. I find myself only checking occasionally what is up on the board. Where once, a couple of days lapsed and you would find a full page of highlighted threads with new posts. Today? Only three threads active, including this one. Peoples, PPRUNE may be coming irrelevant. This place was the font of knowledge for all things Australian aviation. Arguments here led to changes in airspace. Truely, some heavy hitters walked these boards. Politics is a flavour many do not savor. I am a PPL but over the years people have considered my input by entering into argument in the spirit of same without the need to ad hom my "experience". For example, posts on the MNG thread and similar do not even raise a reply or contradictory argument. FB is not a good forum for airing opinions without being blasted by trolls. This type of forum is still sorely needed. Consider the fact that if PPRUNE was active around 1980, imagine the airing some of the regulatory changes would have copped in the proposition stage. Hope this place is still here in another twenty years.
Certainly the events of the last couple of years have kept the airline oriented discussions quiter, but I think the last decade or so has seen the rise and rise of Googles ability provide information once only readily found in forums such as these.
Whether that related to how something works, procedures and techniques, whose hiring, or aviaton adventures Google has an immediate answer, and YouTube channels have the ability to quell other curiosities.
Whether that related to how something works, procedures and techniques, whose hiring, or aviaton adventures Google has an immediate answer, and YouTube channels have the ability to quell other curiosities.
