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Old 19th Jul 2021, 05:28
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Devils advocate....

Its Class G.....I don't want/expect a service. You don't need a 'plan in the system' to give me directed traffic.

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Old 19th Jul 2021, 05:41
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It's not all about you.......
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 06:50
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Then it shouldnt be Class G....
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 07:30
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Spot on, Alpha.
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 09:50
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Wow. All the work I did 20 years ago so we could fly with relative freedom and less complication as they do in the USA , Canada and Europe has been wasted.

My book, which comes out in November tells how I attempted to bring in the overseas system to Australia.

I will have to do an update and explain my failure!
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 09:58
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It is a failure, Dick.

If, just once, you used your political power to its full extent, you'd get all of what you want. But you seem to be unable to stop yourself from falling, over and over, for the tricks of the dumb and dumber political parties.

Old dogs; old tricks; really, really boring, pointless journeys in circles.
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 23:32
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Originally Posted by triadic View Post
It is a dedicated positon in the Bris AACC. No other frequencies.
Then why not make it proper control FFS. If you are going to provide a controller, then bloody control!
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 01:23
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Originally Posted by atcnews View Post
Ballina SUP now published - going live next month.
Standby for an amended version of the Ballina SUP.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 03:29
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What is the lower level of the SSR coverage at Ballina?
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 09:22
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Somewhere around 3000ft for primary & SSR
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 10:51
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Originally Posted by cogwheel View Post
Somewhere around 3000ft for primary & SSR
Cogwheel,

Thanks

Dick, There’s your answer! Has the penny dropped yet on AsA’s biggest confidence trick.

And fills in the blanks on the A320 / Jabiru incident! Going to be pretty hard for ATSB to cover this or MNG up now! Still only four killed….

Someone in AsA must have a smidgeon of morals and ethics as apparently the VFR traffic issuance to IFRs is now done and with far more accuracy according to people that monitor the relevant sector frequency above Ballina.

How interesting!

Ex FSO Griffo your time approaches….
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 12:42
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Talking

Sorry Matey,
I ain't leavin' the 'Wild West'....especially with dat dere Covid hangin' around.
And.....I've forgotten more than I ever knew......

Now, where ARE those f'n car keys..??
(Wots a car..??)
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 04:11
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Cogwheel,
Thanks for that altitude - is it the same over LIS?
If so, the Jabiru reported at 5300 feet at LIS so did ATC pick it up? (CA/GRO does not have any surveillance other than FR24)
We await the ATSB report with interest........
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 06:45
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Originally Posted by Geoff Fairless View Post
Cogwheel,
Thanks for that altitude - is it the same over LIS?
If so, the Jabiru reported at 5300 feet at LIS so did ATC pick it up? (CA/GRO does not have any surveillance other than FR24)
We await the ATSB report with interest........
GF, you have more faith in ATSB than I do.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 07:51
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The SFIS seems to me to be like buying a proven 747 or 777 and putting piston engines on them because that’s what we did in the 50s.

Surely we should be using ATCs to actually control and separate IFR aircraft. Not give a Flight Service traffic information service.

Maybe they could bring Griffitho over from the west to show them how to go back to the 50s and do it in style!
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 12:25
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That's hilarious - you're the one who transferred FS to ATC. We're ATSOs now, providing services in whichever class of airspace we work.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:13
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Yes. I did. However that was part of the AMATS changes which placed class E to low level so the ATCs would be separating aircraft that were in IMC.

That did not go ahead because pilots and others believed that self separation in IMC was acceptably safe.

Maybe after Mangalore there could be a different view!
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:27
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That did not go ahead because pilots and others believed that self separation in IMC was acceptably safe.
Bloody WRONG...it was called Class G back then-

Executive Summary.

• Government responsibility for CSOs has been captured by proponents of "user pays" and "affordable safety".

The Class G Trials were an example of public policy being captured by sectional interests that included AOPA, ATC Executive Management and Mr. D. Smith.

! Australia has a "World's Best" system of Directed Traffic Information provided by Flight Service.

• Airservices Australia has promoted Airspace 2000 in part as justification for limitations of is expensive TAAATS project.

• The capture of policy making has allowed a section of the aviation community to become an "economic free rider"

• The senior management of CASA have shown themselves to be influenced if not captured by those whom they are to regulate.

• The tr ials were a safety fraud - the Safety Case had flaws in it.

• BASI's recommendation to terminate the trial is to be applauded.

• An airspace bureau within the Department of transport should design airspace, CASA should regulate implementation and management of policy to ensure safety and quality processes,

• Management of airspace should reside with RAAF and Airservices Australia.

• BASI should retain its current independant role as investigator.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:51
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Looks a little biased to me. Who actually wrote that report. ? Affordable safety is a fact. Not an opinion.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 11:03
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No, it was the simple integration of FS into ATC.

You slag off FS as 1950s level yet fully embrace 1910s unalerted see and avoid. Why aren't you vigorously pushing for VFR aircraft to adopt modern technology?
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